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Post by lazario on Sept 15, 2007 9:08:24 GMT -5
I just had to start these posts... about each of the real Masters of Horror directors, and the directors who clearly are Masters but aren't in the program... to start discussion of each guy/gal.
My personal feeling on him is that... he's the most overrated horror director in all of cinema history. This is not to cast aspersions on his obvious masterpieces- Halloween and The Fog. But... the guy has proved that after these movies, his interests lies solely in Action and Sci-Fi. Every single one of his post-Halloween films have been dripping with science fiction and cut as though they were action movies. I'm not a big fan of sci-fi or action, so if you want to know why I'm not impressed with this guy- there are two good reasons. But I don't see why this guy gets such high-praise in the Horror genre when 95% of his work is completely diluted by either action of sci-fi.
Not to mention his projects on the side having absolutely no horror in them whatsoever that you can bet people take into account when considering him a Master of Horror - Escape from New York, Starman, Assault on Precinct 13, Big Trouble in Little China, Elvis, Escape from L.A., Memoirs of an Invisible Man, and Dark Star. Those films truly make up more than half of the films he's directed. Now, I would never hold that against him. But a lot of people hold this against other directors. Like John Landis, Joe Dante, and Larry Cohen. So, if you have ever done that with those directors, you have to remember to hold Carpenter to the same standards.
Now, most of his horror films are either completely lackluster (Village of the Damned, Ghosts of Mars, Body Bags), outright awful (Christine), or painfully overrated (Vampires, The Thing). Or they're action films in disguise as horror films. Which most of them are. Vampires is more action than horror, Ghosts of Mars is more action than horror, They Live is more action than horror.
Which basically leaves Someone's Watching Me! (a made-for-TV product), Prince of Darkness, and In the Mouth of Madness to sort of defend his good-name as a Master of Horror. So... have you guys seen those films? What do you think of them?
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Post by Evil Dave on Sept 16, 2007 3:31:47 GMT -5
A "Master of Horror" he is not. A master of "fun" movies? Maybe.
I've never seen 'Someone's Watching Me!' or 'Prince of Darkness.' I remember seeing 'In the Mouth of Madness' a few years back late at night when I was half asleep. I'd have to rewatch it with full attention to fairly asess it, but from what I recall, I wasn't blown away.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Sept 16, 2007 21:12:11 GMT -5
^^^i pretty much agree with that..most of the guys arent really masters of horror tho..especially tobe hooper...hes a master of crap
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Post by lazario on Sept 18, 2007 11:18:45 GMT -5
My definition of a "Master of Horror" is very flimsy, really. I don't think to be a Master of Horror that they have to have directed all-good horror movies or horror movies steadily over their careers. Because nobody is a God (Argento comes VERY close!). So that means, how many Masters of Horror could there be? Just Argento? And who else- all the old Universal black and white movie directors and the Hammer regular directors? In fact, I would say directing 2 really good horror movies is enough. But they have to be masterpieces. And what can I say- Carpenter's done at least that. Halloween and The Fog. But like I said- In the Mouth of Madness and Prince of Darkness are the toss-ups. And I haven't seen them yet. Just the trailers, which left me shaking my head in places, as stylish and sophisticated as I'm sure they were... Actually, since we're on the subject of Masters of Horror... Well, Mick Garris has already said the Requirement to get in to direct an episode is to just have made 1 horror film that rocked the horror world. On that note, what are those 2 best films each director has made? What directors have the best horror bating average? - Dario Argento - Suspiria and Deep Red (and Opera and Phenomena and Tenebre, this guy is clearly the best of this list of directors)
- John Carpenter - Halloween and The Fog
- Tom Holland (We All Scream for Ice Cream) - Child's Play and Fright Night
- John Landis - An American Werewolf in London and Innocent Blood (and Thriller - which was masterful, and consider...this was Michael Jackson when he was black! He was afraid of himself back then; forget Eddie Murphy in Vampire in Brooklyn)
- Tobe Hooper - The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Salem's Lot (Poltergeist is questionable since it seems to clearly indicate more of Spielberg's personal style than Hooper's)
- Joe Dante - Gremlins and The Howling (and Piranha and Gremlins 2: The New Batch, one of the most satisfying horror / horror-comedy sequels ever made)
- Stuart Gordon - Re-Animator (in some peoples' opinions) and ... Dagon? (saw the trailer for it though and it looks AMAZING!) From Beyond? Dolls? Castle Freak?
- Larry Cohen - It's Alive and Q the Winged Serpent (and The Stuff)
- Mick Garris - The Stand and The Shining (1997) (technically, I believe he was always slated to direct for this series because he knew it would be hard to fill all 12 North American slots with directors who could fully commit to the time and would agree to the low pay - but while most of his films are flawed, they are still underrated - the earlier ones at least. Critters 2 was very good, Psycho IV was much better than part III and that alone was an accomplishment, Sleepwalkers was excellent, and Riding the Bullet was... at least a very entertaining movie in places)
- Don Coscarelli - Phantasm and Bubba Ho-Tep (which I haven't seen yet)
- Takashi Miike - Audition and Ichi the Killer (which I haven't seen yet but I heard was freaking gross) (but I am however excited to see Happiness of the Katakuris! Sounds like a RIOT!)
- John McNaughton (Haekel's Tale) - Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer and The Borrower (haven't seen yet but I've heard it's great, just needs a DVD release)
- Ernest R. Dickerson (The V Word) - Bones and Demon Knight (out of those 2, Demon Knight was clearly the one he was selected for, but as a director he sure as hell knows Style and has the right influences and just in case you have no idea who he is, he is well over 50 years old, so he's not one of these young dickheads who just wants to remake Texas Chainsaw Massacre and rip-off Hills Have Eyes and Deliverance to make a 'raw gorefest').
- Lucky McKee (Sick Girl) - May and The Woods (which Mick Garris clearly had not seen since it was just the biggest disappointment of said year) (it's an unfortunate situation for Lucky since May was such an independently made movie, but the horror community came out in drones to see it and support who clearly is one of the best new hopes to save the horror genre, though I have not seen, nor has almost anyone else from what I hear, his no-budget first attempt at a horror film, All Cheerleaders Die. Of course, in Lucky's case, his Masters of Horror contribution turned out to be perhaps the best work he's made to-date in the genre).
- Brad Anderson (Sounds Like) - Session 9 and The Machinist (haven't seen either, but I don't like ghost-themed movies very much, nor do I find David Caruso to be very interesting onscreen).
- Peter Medak (The Washingtonians) - The Changeling (which I absolutely hated!) (and in England or wherever, he directed quite a few supernatural films that weren't straight-ahead horror films but I'm sure would show up on his resume since they were clearly not the type of supernatural films people like Carpenter, Garris, and Fulci were making. His only other horror film was Species II, which is a very suspicious film to consider him a Master based on directing since I believe it was direct to video/DVD, but that being said, it did have way better actors than you'd expect a sequel to have, so if he needs 1 talent in the genre, he really knows how to direct actors).
- Rob Schmidt (Right to Die) - Wrong Turn (haven't seen but I've had the VHS for 2 years at least) (it probably looks good on his resume that he also directed the absolutely bizarre and completely morally ambiguous thriller Crime + Punishment in Suburbia).
- William Malone (Fair Haired Child) - ? (your guess is as good as mine why this guy was ever invited to participate in this series in the first place, let alone given one of the original premiere 9 slots = directors who had more time to plan their episodes and knew what they wanted to do from the getgo without being offered a list of possible scripts to direct like McKee, McNaughton, and Cohen were) (in case you don't know who he is, he's known for directing the very stylish but incompetently acted and plotted House on Haunted Hill remake and feardotcom. He also directed a 1980's feature that I don't think anyone's seen, called Creature, and some episodes of the TV series Freddy's Nightmares and Tales From the Crypt).
- Norio Tsuruta (Dream Cruise) - I have no idea, really. But he's from Japan, so he's probably directed at least one of the Ringu movies.
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Post by Evil Dave on Sept 19, 2007 2:37:30 GMT -5
I think it's lame that Mick Garris only required ONE great addition to the horror genre to be considered a "master." Not to take anything away from a director who hit a home run horror flick, but anyone can get lucky ONCE. That's like calling a musician who has a "one hit wonder" a master of music. I'm not buying it. Having said this as my opinion, here's my list of the directors who should've been left out in the cold:
1. John Landis - AWiL was great, but that was really it for him as a horror director. That's not to say he doesn't have directorial talent, he does. I like most of his work. But he moved on from the horror genre a long, long time ago. To be a master of any genre I'd say it should be required that the majority of your work should be of said genre.
2. Stuart Gordon - I love Re-Animator, but nothing else of his was of any significance.
3. Don Coscarelli - Phantasm and it's sequels are great. Bubba Ho-Tep is great. The only problem is that Bubba Ho-Tep is in no way horror. I hate that people throw that in the horror genre. It's most definitely a comedy. Sure there's horror elements and Bruce Campbell, but this movie was obviously written to get laughs, not scares. I mean, is 'The Monster Squad' true horror too? I think not.
4. Ernest R. Dickerson - I'll give this fella credit for really committing an entire career to making horror. Problem is, none of it's any good! Just my opinion though.
5. Brad Anderson - Same reasons as Dickerson.
6. Peter Medak - One hit wonder. Nothing else of significance other than 'The Changeling.' (which I, like Laz, did not care for)
7. Rob Schmidt - This one is absolutely ludacris! I mean seriously! Not only is 'Wrong Turn' the only real horror movie he's made, but it was total crap and totally unoriginal. A blatant ripoff of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. I guess by this logic crud like 'I Know What You Did Last Summer' should be considered "master" material as well. Because that's how good 'Wrong Turn' is. At best.
8. William Malone - Like Dickerson, I give the guy credit for devoting a career to making pretty much nothing but horror, but none of it is really any good at all.
I guess now everyone can see why I haven't bothered checking out this series yet. Almost half of the "masters" are anything but, in my opinion. But it is STILL horror, so I'm sure I'll get around to it someday. To be fair, most of the other directors I really like, so I'll for sure want to see the work they've contributed.
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Post by Evil Dave on Sept 19, 2007 2:48:27 GMT -5
--Sorry to double Post--
One more mental nugget to chew on about Carpenter: I agree with Laz that if you take away Halloween, he doesn't have much of a leg to stand on as a "master." But let me add one other twist to that - I understand why Halloween was such a big deal. It was ALMOST (anybody else know which film was TRULY the first?) the first slasher film to be made. And for that I'll give him credit. But ask yourself this: If Halloween came out AFTER all the other slasher films that followed, would anybody still think it was so great? Or would it just have been an "also-ran?" I only say this because (just my opinion) I really don't think it's as great as it's made out to be. I think it's good. But not great. (sorry piggsy!)
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Post by lazario on Sept 19, 2007 16:53:28 GMT -5
Ready for a surprise, Dave? I actually didn't start this whole thing to trash all these directors. It was just to challenge the way people look at this whole Masters of Horror thing. That pretty much all anyone is looking at is the Cult Status of the movies when it comes to saying what directors should get into the Masters line-up. Because I think we all know... how many of the remaining masters can be gotten for the program? None, really. Romero is really out to lunch. The guy was apparently too busy for his 1st season episode because of Land of the Dead, but he couldn't direct for the 2nd season either because of Diary of the Dead. Wes Craven was always interested but he couldn't do it because of Red Eye. Then he was developing a film during the 2nd season, Bug, which strangely he didn't even direct. After that... basically, all we've got left are the Pretentious Masters: Cronenberg, who apparently won't even talk to anyone about the series, and of course is too busy scraping up DAVID LYNCH'S second-hand hand-down goods. Peter Jackson, who like Cronenberg, just doesn't seem to have anymore creative love for the genre anymore. No offense, though, he would be an absolutely killer addition. But it would make sense if he never said yes since New Line Cinema have been letting him do whatever he's wanted ever since Lord of the Rings was a monster hit. Well... as long as they could turn it into some kind of franchise / blockbuster type thing. I guess Jackson just did everything he could do in horror already. In 2 films. After that, the prospects aren't very good: Sam Raimi, who everyone would let in if he said "yes." But much like Jackson, he seems to have done everything in horror that he wanted to do. And only the original Evil Dead was great. And... I swear there was 1 more director I had to mention but I have completely drawn a blank. Bob Clark both has passed away and admitted that he only made horror films to get the chance to begin directing Hollywood mainstream films (of course... look where that got him - 1 hit: A Christmas Story, and a lot of flops: Baby Geniuses, Rhinestone ((I think)), and nothing else of any real mention). And then... ready for this? There are the 2 strongest female contenders for the title: The 2 Mary's (There's Something About the 2 Mary's!): Harron (American Psycho) and Lambert (Pet Sematary). I'm positive that Lambert would at least consider it. But Harron turned Mick Garris down flat when he asked her, which was reported on some website with an interview, right from Garris himself's mouth. Which is sad, because I've heard she's had a great deal of trouble getting people to look at her writing- and only gets to make 1 movie every 5 years. Then again... some total fri ggin' retard also told me she was a lesbian. Not true - she has a husband and 2 kids. Anyway, when I look back on what I've said... it sure seems easy to cut Carpenter off at the knees since I really don't like action that much, but defend Landis because I love comedy. But honestly, his resume of successes in the horror genre are hugely prolific for so few. Innocent Blood was really not scary, but who cares? It was beyond entertaining. And at least, unlike Carpenter's mixes of horror with humor, it still kept the horror elements high enough priorities in the movies' mixes to still keep them called Horror. Anyway, his contribution to The Twilight Zone: The Movie, which I believe was the unbelievably intense segment of the bigot who experiences the horrors of the minorities he trashed through their eyes and isn't let off the hook at all - would be enough right there to pretty much be considered for a 2nd credit in the series. But is that all he gave to that movie? Nope - he also did the "Midnight Special" opening. That is simply a legendary scare sequence in horror history. And since the movie is finally getting a DVD release in October this year - GET IT and see for yourself. Anyway, combine that with Michael Jackson's Thriller and... forget it- the guy may actually know more about planning legitimate cinematic scares than any of the other masters (well, after Craven) in the entire genre. There's no way he can be discredited from the lineup. Especially since a lot of people are saying his contributions "Family" and "Deer Woman" have been some of the stronger of each season. I think it's lame that Mick Garris only required ONE great addition to the horror genre to be considered a "master." Not to take anything away from a director who hit a home run horror flick, but anyone can get lucky ONCE. That's like calling a musician who has a "one hit wonder" a master of music. Have to agree, when one considers that logic. But a few more notes. I had to question Stuart Gordon just because I've only seen 2 of his movies (Dolls was the other). From Beyond and Dagon are out on DVD now. Almost every single person who's seen From Beyond raves and says it's a masterpiece. I'm leaning more toward being interested in Dagon - especially after seeing that trailer. Incredible isn't even the word for it. If anything, I would just say that he seems almost completely unwilling to separate himself from Lovecraft and Poe. Except for Dolls, of course. And then... well you obviously got the wrong impression about Dic kerson from my post. I was merely trying to illustrate that he has a passion for the genre. No, as a director he's been completely victimized by the industry. He's only taken jobs he's been given, probably to make a steady living. His resume in horror is practically bare except for those films I mentioned. But he's got talent. A lot. And he also seems to have a future in horror, I think one of his next upcoming projects is a horror film or thriller. But no, before his horror movies, he had 1 first chance to move up from being a cinematographer, Spike Lee's cinematographer. And that was to make a Spike Lee type movie. So, he made a black urban drama. And one of those action-y Gary Busey / Dolph Lundgren type movies, a conspiracy / political / direct-to-video type thriller. But... I'd say thanks to Snoop Dogg and the writer of Carnosaur, he got a chance to make another horror movie. The great thing though was that Snoop envisioned the movie as a sort of Nightmare on Elm Street / High Plains Drifter type movie and that's all Dickerson had to deliver. From there, he had pretty much creative freedom to put in as many visual influences into Bones as he wanted. So, he made it a real Mario Bava / Dario Argento / Lucio Fulci Euro-horror influenced film. So, he's a black guy who really knows what American horror needs. At least, since no one else was doing it... Brad hasn't gotten the chance to prove himself yet, beyond his one hit wonder horror film, Session 9. But he doesn't really seem to care all that much, I think. Much like John McNaughton... he's mostly done drama and comedy films. So, you're saying you haven't seen any of the Masters of Horror episodes yet??? See Sick Girl. See it, like, yesterday. Of course, I'm still waiting on the SNAIL MAIL's delivery of my boxset. I could be waiting another 4 or 5 more days... who knows.
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Post by Evil Dave on Sept 20, 2007 2:50:56 GMT -5
Actually, 'Sick Girl' is the only episode I ever bothered to download and watch. And that was simply because I'm a HUGE Lucky Mckee fan. After watching 'May' just once, I immediately became interested in anything that he is, or will be involved in. That said, I had HIGH expectations going into viewing both 'The Woods' and 'Sick Girl.' Usually when that's the case, I wind up not enjoying the movie because of hyping myself up too much, but in both of these viewings my expectations were completely met. In fact my jury's still out on whether 'May' or 'Sick Girl' should be my favorite Mckee film. Right now I'd have to go with 'Sick Girl.' I can't wait for his latest film, 'Red' to open. I believe it's still in post-production, so who knows when the hell it'll actually make it to theaters. It will be the rare movie release that actually gets me into a theater. I've deamed Mckee as a young director who hopefully can save the horror genre from it's current spat of inadequacy. He's had enough success to be given more opportunities to keep making great films, but I worry that if he has too much success he'll become known to the mainstream sheep and thus, either sell out, or move on to genres other than horror. I used to think it'd be Eli Roth that saved the day, and he still might help, but these days I believe his success has gone to his head and he's become more interested in his social status and rubbing elbows with the Hollywood elite than he is about making some great horror. Only time will tell I guess.
So anyways, are there any other episodes of "Masters" that you recommend I check out? I've still got the torrent file saved to my hard drive (I think) that has the entire series available on it. It'd help me out if you or anyone else had some recommendations, as I don't wanna eat up all my disk space with episodes that stink. I'd rather just get the ones that are worth my time watching.
One final thing then I'll put a cork in it. Just a thought I had, but see what you think. I was thinking that instead of a Masters of Horror series, I'd much rather have seen them make a series that featrued some young underground/indie horror directors. Two reasons:
1. I think we would have gotten a great product. These directors don't have the connections and cash to be worried about other projects like some of the above directors did. They would have devoted all their time and energy to turning out a great film as it'd be there one big chance to have their work widely viewed, and it'd probably also be the largest budget they ever had to work with as well.
2. We need some new blood in the genre! Not that I still don't like the work being done by some of the "greats," but as a whole, the horror genre has really gotten stale with all the regurges and remakes. My thinking is, that if you think back on the really revolutionary (and best) works in the genre, most or all of them came from directors who were little known or not known at all. The newbies are always the ones who come up with the fresh ideas because they don't have any major studio ties or contracts that "encourage" them to copy what's already worked. I think we'd get some movies that would take some big chances and create some great new molds for horror's future. I guess what I'm saying is, I want someone to make another breakthrough like Halloween! Just not a REMAKE or REGURGE of Halloween. Some, hell, ONE new horror sub-genre would be SO NICE right about now.
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Post by lazario on Sept 20, 2007 11:43:34 GMT -5
This underlying part I cut from underneath the paragraphs below. I wrote it later but it gets to the point quicker than the paragraphs. You should probably read this part first and go on if you want more details: So in short (too late), none of them are as good as Sick Girl, unfortunately. But Jenifer is at least half as good. Homecoming is decent for a basically non-horror episode. And Pick Me Up confused the heck out of me. See it for the humor alone and don't expect any blood or gore. Though it does actually have at least 1 really good scare. After that, eh, stay away from Screwfly Solution and Chocolate. I really think they stink. And I haven't seen this episode yet, but I honestly think Family from the second season has to be worth checking out. I haven't found 1 person yet saying it was the least bit bad. Which makes it probably the best received of the second season, along with The Black Cat, which you might skip until you see some more of Stuart Gordon's stuff. So anyways, are there any other episodes of "Masters" that you recommend I check out? Still waiting on that boxset to arrive, so I can see the other 8 first season episodes I haven't seen yet. But I did like Jenifer quite a bit. Apparently, there's like a whole subgenre of horror called "sex horror" and I guess movies like Caligula, Society, and maybe those Emanuelle movies might fit in that category. Jenifer would be that. Which means it doesn't feel like most horror movies do. There's not a great deal of dread, and not most of it anyway has to do with death scenes. So, for an Argento film, I'm not sure how it fits in with the Phantom of the Opera to Do You Like Hitchcock? Argento films, but it doesn't feel anything like his Deep Red to Stendhal Syndrome films. I liked it because, like most of Argento's films, it's a fairly satisfying portrait of a person's obsession... Or at least it balances everything out fairly well. I say, keep your expectations low (this will work for all the episodes- seriously, this series is hard to love most of the time, either season), and re-watch. Jenifer definitely gets better the more you watch it. The beginning is sluggish, but after the first 25 minutes, I think it gets much better. I feel like, out of the 6 I've seen so far, that's the best after Sick Girl. Homecoming is good for it's message, because it has it's morals and it sticks to them. The zombies are the heroes and the people are the villains. That never changes. But the horror is, like Dante said, all in the concept. So, nothing gory or visually interesting happens at all. In fact, only 3 people die and none of them are murders / death scene killings. At least, they're not built up that way. But I did think it was a better episode than Dante's season 2 episode The Screwfly Solution. So anyway - I'm just saying this so that you'll be prepared. If the anti-Iraq War message of Homecoming is enough for you, see Homecoming. But stay away from Chocolate. It has no horror in it and the ending is completely predictable. When my mother saw it for the first time, she said out loud what was going to happen before it was over. She was right. Pick Me Up was interesting but bloodless and goreless. Which disappointed me, since it's pretty much a slasher movie. If you can handle that, and you can handle an ending that makes a lot of people laugh even though it's not technically supposed to be funny... then, check this one out. I didn't like it. Anyway, I wanted to say something though... I still can't believe this series never seemed to show an interest in Frank Henenlotter. When your 2 best films are as great as Basket Case and Brain Damage... well... your resume at least easily outshines the likes of Rob Schmidt, William Malone, Peter Medak, and Brad Anderson. And that director whose name I forgot to mention... it was William (The Exorcist, Bug, The Guardian, Cruising) Friedkin. Most people I think want to see Masters of Horror come to an end while there's still time for us to forget about what many feel are some of each director's least appealing work.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Sept 20, 2007 17:24:06 GMT -5
season 1 wasnt that great for episodes..deer women was my fav..it was a black comedy that actually worked..i like season 2 better..you should deff check out family and pro-life..i have seen all the episodes from season 2 that came on dvd so far besides the washingtonians and sounds like which just came out yesteday..i picked them up and ill prob watch them later and then ill comment on them..but the top 3 to check out are
deer women pro-life family
some others that are decent is..screwfly...i know laz said he didnt like it but i thought it was good..the only prob was it seemed to suffer from only being an hour..i think it woulda worked better as a full movie..and right to die was also pretty good..it felt like a tales from the crypt episode
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Post by Evil Dave on Sept 21, 2007 2:30:36 GMT -5
Thanks for the info guys. I'm currently downloading:
Homecoming
Deer Women
Jennifer
Family
Screwfly Solution (one likes it, one doesn't. i gotta see for myself)
Thanks again!
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Post by tsmooth31 on Sept 21, 2007 2:56:59 GMT -5
jennifer was weird..i didnt like it much tho..im not a big fan of mutant girl sex family has a pretty good twist ending..i never saw it coming.. deer women is prob the funnest episode to watch because it doesnt take itself serious.. i would still check out right to die and pro-life tho sometime if i were you
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Post by Evil Dave on Sept 21, 2007 3:26:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I plan on downloading them all. I found a torrent that has 'em all, but I don't feel like killing my bandwith right now.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Sept 21, 2007 3:36:21 GMT -5
haha..i bought a few on dvd..so then i just said f*ck im just gonna collect all the dvd's...well at least for season 2..im still trying to decide what to watch 2nite sounds like or the washingtonians..
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Post by Evil Dave on Sept 21, 2007 3:38:56 GMT -5
Happy viewing! Let me know what you think of them both, k?
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Post by tsmooth31 on Sept 21, 2007 3:43:40 GMT -5
yea i deff will..i think ill go sounds like tonight..its supposed to be more of a serious drama type episode..then ill go with the black comedy washingtionians 2morrow..how can guys dressed up like washington who are cannibals be a bad movie??
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Post by Evil Dave on Sept 21, 2007 3:45:04 GMT -5
^^ lol, i don't know. Sounds like fun to me!
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Post by lazario on Sept 21, 2007 10:00:35 GMT -5
I know how this is going to sound - but there is only 1 "N" in the title "Jenifer." And avoid Pro-Life at all costs! To put it in the delightfully crude words of TSmooth... "3 people liked it and 50,000 thought it was crap." Which is actually true. Screwfly Solution (one likes it, one doesn't. i gotta see for myself) Just remember: I warned you. If nothing else ruins this episode for you, the daughter Amy will. You have my 100% honest to God guarantee.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Sept 21, 2007 16:03:32 GMT -5
i actually saw about 50/50 reviews for pro-life...some people took it to serious about the whole abortion thing..its a movie...its made for entertainment..dont take it serious and watch it for what it is..easily one of the best episodes right up there with family
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Post by lazario on Sept 22, 2007 5:17:33 GMT -5
I don't know where you looked- but the serious horror fans were at least 90/10, 10 thinking it wasn't bad and 90 saying it was. Look around all the biggest horror boards on the Internet - Blood Theatre, Horrorspeak, Zombie Keeper, Slasherpool (if they have one), B Headed. They'll all say the same thing.
Why did you like it again, TSmooth? The gore?
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