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Post by tsmooth31 on Jul 11, 2008 4:46:32 GMT -5
ok i will lwt you think you know more about horror then me, i mean being a fag midget all your life you got hated and teased on, i will finally let you feel like a man and feel as if your are better then some1 and actually worth a damn, yes you know more about horror then me because you take your opinions and label them as facts and then when i dont agree with your opinions that you label facts you think i am wrong, so yes i am gonna let you feel like a big man for today, i will finally let you feel like you are better then some1 at something, it must feel great right!!!! i mean even if it is out of pity
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Post by tsmooth31 on Jul 17, 2008 22:03:02 GMT -5
BOOOOO what the fuck was that piece of garbage i just watched
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Post by lazario on Jul 17, 2008 22:20:42 GMT -5
Tonight's episode was... adequate. Definitely better than Spooked (the benchmark for worst of this series thusfar), The Sacrifice, In Sicknesss & in Health, and Eater. That's 4. But Family Man is still far superior.
That frickin' Saw-series editing has got to go, Mr. Bousman!! It sure wasn't scary. Nor did any of the gore impress me. The scene that really pissed me off was when the old man got up and started shooting at the girl. You know, if that's a good thing in anyone's eye(s). I thought the girl playing the main character was actually great. The guy playing the roommate Eddie sucked though. You know something funny? I could swear he looks JUST like Darren Lynn Bousman, the director... (check out Google Images for pics, I'm too lazy to bring them up right now). And that scene with the girls talking about how the main character was really "different" - that was good. It seemed to be making some kind of point.
I'm starting to think that these shows would be SO much better if the commercials didn't keep breaking them up. And those fucking ads. I don't know.
The great news! Mary Harron's episode, "Community," is finally coming next week! There's no question in my mind it's going to be better than all the other episodes (hopefully it's better than Family Man too, but...we'll see).
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Post by tsmooth31 on Jul 17, 2008 22:31:25 GMT -5
the editing was annoying and every "scare" scene you could see coming from a mile away, they should have just let each member of this board write up and direct an epdisode, we couldnt have done much worse, it was just a boring cliche episode
when i first saw the episode list community was the one i was most looking forward to, hopefully we get get SOMETHING out of it
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Post by lazario on Jul 17, 2008 22:47:17 GMT -5
they should have just let each member of this board write up and direct an epdisode, we couldnt have done much worse, it was just a boring cliche episode THAT'S A GREAT IDEA! The only problem with that... I don't think we know enough about how to work with the actors and the technical equipment at the same time. I have no clue what all that teck stuff does. Though thanks to special features, I am aware of a lot of the words they say. Without those special features, I would never have heard what an F-stop is. I don't know what it does, but I've heard of it. when i first saw the episode list community was the one i was most looking forward to, hopefully we get get SOMETHING out of it Well that's the funny thing... No one ever knows just what to expect. I'll say right now that New Year's Day isn't at all what I thought it was going to be. I didn't think it would be shot almost all at night during a power outage. I definitely liked that better than what I was expecting. I think, again, the plot summary I was given was more action-oriented than it played through as. Much like Family Man, it was the exact opposite of what I expected. That's kind of good and kind of not so good. Eater was pretty much what I expected though. Stuart Gordon can get good acting. And he knows how to start a movie... But either his endings suck outright or the middles are so dumb. Or after the middle, as the ending builds up. But since you bring it up... if I could have chosen an episode to "fix," I would go with In Sickness & in Health. I remember having a ton of ideas of how to change it. It had some very good ideas. All they had to do was stop talking about the couple's relationship. And spending so much time trying to make him look suspicious. And having the Bridesmaids talk (they didn't do anything). Community might be campy - which I hope it's not. It also sounds a little bit similar to a Lifetime-TV horror movie about old people who stalk a young couple because they want to steal their youth (I think the "stars" were Dean Cain and Portia Di Rossi) or something... Since it's Mary Harron, there probably won't be a lot of blood and gore. Which I'm fine with. What I'm hoping for is a complete delirium with the way the people behave. I want something that feels like total character anarchy, but intelligent anarchy (like American Psycho was). Something that feels like anything could happen at any moment. But hopefully is less campy than everyone says The Washingtonians was.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Jul 17, 2008 23:13:12 GMT -5
i dont care what you know about movie making, i would still take an episode from you over most of the crap we have seen, i mean dont get me wrong the episodes arent completely terrible, but most just feel so cliche and watered down,
you know what these al lfeel like, it feels like horror for just a casual tv viewer and not true horror fans, do u know what i mean???
i am expecting community to be pretty campy, kinda like the washingtonians but hopefully not as campy, and i know the lifetime movie you are talking about, actually wasnt a bad movie
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Post by shunty on Jul 18, 2008 4:53:32 GMT -5
i missed it. so it sucked huh?
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Post by lazario on Jul 18, 2008 6:04:00 GMT -5
i missed it. so it sucked huh? Kinda. i dont care what you know about movie making, i would still take an episode from you over most of the crap we have seen, i mean dont get me wrong the episodes arent completely terrible, but most just feel so cliche and watered down, you know what these all feel like, it feels like horror for just a casual tv viewer and not true horror fans, do u know what i mean??? Yep. I do think we're all creative enough to make a great episode ourselves. Were we all to learn about the technical side of filmmaking, I'm sure we'd make something better than most of these people are turning out. I also think most people would say the network-television format is holding them back. Not just because of the commercials, of course. Maybe the fact that they know this is for television means they're not trying very hard. Except I do think this is as hard as Ronny Yu and Bousman can try. And maybe Stuart Gordon. It just feels pretty typical of, certainly, Bousman's shoddy work. NYD had more suspense than any of the films I've seen of his. It would be hilarious to sort of watch the producers of this program kind of sit back and go, "okay everyone, a team of guys from a message board are coming in to direct a few episodes. Just give them your 100 percent and respect and treat them like you would John Carpenter."
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Post by malbowski13 on Jul 18, 2008 9:27:01 GMT -5
I like what Hitchcock said, " All actors are cattle and should be treated as such". Something like that. Good director so maybe he has something...
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Post by lazario on Jul 18, 2008 11:35:47 GMT -5
Alfred Hitchcock was senile. And look at him in those talking trailers... he's so old, he can barely move. And no one could understand a word he said. But yeah, actors can be a stubborn lot at times.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Jul 19, 2008 17:48:40 GMT -5
hell i could prob run around with a 35mm camera and still make an episode more entertaining then some of these ones have been, although maybe that wouldnt work because i would wanna fill it with gore and weird shit and NBC would be having none of that
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Post by lazario on Jul 19, 2008 22:38:27 GMT -5
Well, I think in your hypothesis, NBC wouldn't necessarily be a part of the equation. There was a little bit of blood / gore in New Year's Day (and most of the ep's from what I remember). We saw falling guts and stuff of that sort. The stuff they seem to be most uncomfortable with is watching people cut other people, with knives and blades and so-forth.
I feel personally what's missing from this series is a real human evil. Or in-human that still has a quality that we relate to in seeing the worst of our human evils in that inhuman evil. Like, something scary - of course. Which is not all blood and gore generated. A real threat. Not just, you're sitting on the couch and turn around - AH!!! AWWW!!! EEE!!! There's a zombie that tackles you to the floor and starts biting into your head.
Threatening things and evil things and really scary things take time to establish. Not that I'm saying these really need to be longer. But they all follow the formula of putting something they think is "kinda" scary in at the first 3 or so minutes. Then they probably come down a little from that peak and at maybe 12 minutes or 16 minutes, another slightly dangerous thing happens. It's all formula driven. To fill a quota of cliched things that usually happen in "these kinds of movies" or whathaveyou.
And none of the concepts are anything new. Some of the twists could lead to something. Like, really the first twist in Family Man comes very early. Not the cliched one of "whose body am I in?!" but the one where you think that killer would never come back to his old cell, his personal horror - yet, he does. And he tries to help his body, inhabited by another man. And instead of going on a killing spree right away, he thinks this is a chance at redemption. But, look at society - it's hard enough for a regular, law-abiding person not to snap, let alone a serial murderer!
I guess this is a really simple case. A case of no new ideas. And doing nothing different. Almost nothing different. Cliches and stereotypes.
I'd like to know also who the heck picked out these scripts. If the directors had anything to do with choosing them. Or like in season 1 of Masters of Horror where John Landis had his son Max already hired to write his movie before they sent him a script. Same with Joe Dante and Don Coscarelli and (I believe) Tobe Hooper and Stuart Gordon and Takashi Miike and Mick Garris. They all had their own scripts made for the series, while the other directors chose from scripts sent out to them.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Jul 20, 2008 1:18:12 GMT -5
i think it would have been better off on a channel like scifi, scifi can get away with alot of gore and i think we could have had some more effective episdoes, it just feels like they are holding back so much on every epsiode, it has really become frustrating to watch it because you basically know whats gonna happen, i mean some of the masters of horrors were bad but at least we had some good gore to give us SOMETHING, sure there has been a little gore but i have seen PG-13 movies with more gore
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Post by lazario on Jul 20, 2008 1:19:44 GMT -5
Well, I might agree with you. But I think the problem is that there's no style, the characters are uninteresting, the music is cliched... I mean, you can put wall to wall gore, and if every thing else sucks about the movie / episode... what have you got? A gory piece of crud.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Jul 20, 2008 1:22:08 GMT -5
well yea but thats basically what im saying, ill take a gory piece of crud over a dry piece of crud, but just about everything has been uninteresting in most episodes, all im saying is if ur gonna give me some boring uninspired episode atleast fill it with gore to give me something
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Post by lazario on Jul 20, 2008 1:26:37 GMT -5
Okay. But for me, it's really the same thing. Unless the filmmaker has a real vision. You see that in films either with really good production values (like I was talking about) or a really special story. Or good editing, acting, etc.
I agree in some ways with what you're saying. Saw sucked but I might have been able to enjoy it if it had had the gore level of... aw, who am I kidding? If it weren't for Dead Silence, I would say James Wan deserves to die for that film! Some films are just...criminally bad. That bad.
So I stick to my guns. Talk about uninspired. And sometimes an inspiration is no good if you have no original visual way of telling your story.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Jul 20, 2008 5:09:39 GMT -5
you liked dead silence better then saw???
dead silence was OK but saw was great, especially compared to all the crap we get in theaters today, saw did have some brutal gore, well not so much gore but it was still pretty brutal, had a fun plot and a great ending, cant really ask for much more from horror in the theaters nowadays, easily one of the best horror movies of the 2000's
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Post by lazario on Jul 20, 2008 13:56:46 GMT -5
you liked dead silence better then saw??? That's one way to put it. Another way would be: Dead Silence is tolerable. Saw is a piece of shit. Saw was neither: great, brutal, gory, fun, nor any one of the best horror movies of the 2000's.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Jul 20, 2008 20:42:58 GMT -5
well for me it was all of those things, but i can respect your opinion, see how easy things are when you can just respect someones opinion and movie on?? im not gonna go on any rants, you didnt like it and thats fine
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Post by lazario on Jul 20, 2008 22:30:37 GMT -5
T - I don't like it because it sucked. I could have liked it if it had been smart. But it wasn't. Because I know a movie like that doesn't give a fuck about style. So, no style. Gore is a toss-up and I wasn't impressed with that element. So, all that's left is either intelligence or some kind of great character work. Neither was here. At all. They played every lame-ass, stupid trick a dumb wannabe-psychological horror film would pull. The Dentist was more intelligent than this film.
I really still don't know what you saw in this film. But it stunk. Royally. I'm starting to think The Blair Witch Project was better and I've said for years that that was the worst horror film ever made.
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