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Post by malbowski13 on Feb 14, 2008 22:29:29 GMT -5
But why is your sexuality important to begin with? I don't go around saying "I'm hetro,look at me!" Also now, the focus on sexuality is EVERYWHERE! Because I would not want a dude to massage me, I am a "homophobe" or I am not confident in my sexuality. Your sexual endeavors are your business and no one elses. You reap what you sow,people. Another thing that doesn't help the cause is the abundance of "flaming" gay people. Like the shit you see on so many TV shows. The "guy" has to be over-the-top all the time. With the lisps,make-up, and wardrobe. Why not show a man who is gay that is not over-the-top , in your face?
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Post by tsmooth31 on Feb 16, 2008 2:10:45 GMT -5
^^ i agree with you about the gay guys.. any type of fashion show or anythng along those lines they always have the freaking girliest man alive.. i really dont believe most gay guys are like that.. any gay guy i have ever known i would not have known he was gay if he didnt tell me so.
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Post by lazario on Feb 16, 2008 16:33:04 GMT -5
Mal - the basic emphasis on sexuality is just about not being ashamed of who you are. That's it. It's that simple. Anything else, as T brought up, is a creation of the media. A media that Chuck Norris is a part of now and is blurring the lines between right and wrong with his bible-thumping bullshit.
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Post by malbowski13 on Feb 20, 2008 19:01:14 GMT -5
I'm with you on the bible-thumpers Laz.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Feb 20, 2008 22:19:22 GMT -5
i dont see chuck as a bible-thumper
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Post by lazario on Feb 22, 2008 13:06:38 GMT -5
Because you're not looking. Your like for the guy is blinding you.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Feb 23, 2008 23:54:50 GMT -5
nah hes just religious..hes not forcing anything on any1 hes just letting what he believes be known and think kids should study the bible in school.. nothing wrong with that
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Post by lazario on Feb 24, 2008 23:05:57 GMT -5
Um... do you know anything about the way the bible is taught to people? Do you know what people who teach the bible preach? I think you don't. Because if you did, you would know how many ignorant kids grow up to be ignorant adults.
That is very irresponsible of you, T.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Feb 25, 2008 20:17:22 GMT -5
not if they just teach it loosely
there is nothing wrong with religion.. i mean to me its just another boring subject like history or math..if i would have studied it in school it would have went in one ear and out the other just like all the other boring subjects
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Post by lazario on Feb 26, 2008 3:41:02 GMT -5
not if they just teach it loosely That's a pathetic excuse. You're letting these people off the hook when you have no idea of the damage they're doing. Why are you still pretending you have a clue what you're talking about with this?? there is nothing wrong with religion.. Oh yeah? I'm sure you think The Pope is a real upstanding, respectable guy... If you watch Harry Potter, he insists you're going to hell. Anything supernatural in entertainment he tells you is hatred of God, and you'll go to hell for it if you indulge in it. Are you under the impression that most people think The Pope is full of shit? Mind, that's only one example. But it's representative of what the people will teach in these Bible classes! It's the mindset of religion today, because most families don't enroll their kids in schools where they teach the Bible. Nothing wrong with religion? Sure, if it's practiced PRIVATELY. Some families should be able to fuck their own kids up by choice only. What Chuck Norris is trying to do is force the kind of Hatred these kids learn in many churches into every single classroom. I haven't even brought up Creationism yet!! What the fuck do you think kids are going to think when they have to go from Bible Class where they say God created human life to Science Class or Biology, where they are more appropriately taught that human life evolved from other forms of animal life? How blind are you? Besides being a way for Norris to forward his conservative social agendas, he's also taking part in the sabotage of Education! Children deserve real educations - not fantasy ones. At the end of the day, kids are expected to fucking pass a Bible Class. You can't just brush this off and say- "oh, they won't pay attention." We're talking about the future of America here!!! And did you also think about the Parents of these kids? If they are stupid enough to indulge their kids in buying them every Disney and Nickelodeon direct-to-video cartoon piece of shit put on the market, they're easy and dumb enough to let the the Conservative Culture Takeover happen. This is one of the huge battles. If they win this, it's only a matter of time before future generations of Tsmooth's like you were to have all their rights taken away. Are you seriously saying "Fuck everyone else" because you think this won't affect you?
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Post by tsmooth31 on Feb 27, 2008 0:17:42 GMT -5
Are you seriously saying "Fuck everyone else" because you think this won't affect you?
basically yea..i dont care about any1 else unless its my family or close friemds.. so honestly why would i care what any1 is taught and learns??
you just are taking this too far..chuck norris is not trying to force hate on any1.. you just have a problem with religion so you are twisting everything around.. sure there are some fucked up religous freaks but for the most part people arent like that..
no1 can force any1 to do anything.. just becase people learn religion doesnt mean they are gonna all of a sudden become a religious freak..millions of people go to church and sunday school and stuff like that and they are not religious freaks.. i went to sunday school and all that stuff and i used to actually have a good time.. i didnt take it serious and just chilled with some of my friends
you are acting as if this is going to turn into some type of cult shit.. i think you have seen one to many movies
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Post by lowkey on Feb 27, 2008 1:27:07 GMT -5
Not all, or even most christians are young earth creationists. Most mainstream denominations accept evolution, as the "method of creation." It's a very small percentage of mostly American, fringe lunatics that promote that shit. Even the most devout European christians, consider Intelligent Design, strange, and downright ridiculous--less than 1% of them take it seriously.
Don't get me wrong though. I think old earth creationism is garbage too. At one time most credible christian theologians firmly opposed evolution. I see their newfound willingness to accept it as them merely grasping at straws, hoping to remain relevant in the world, for just a bit longer.
That's actually not a bad idea, provided the curriculum is approached from a neutral, non-preachy standpoint. Statistically the more devout a person is, the more likely they are to be fucking clueless about their own religion. People who actually read, and study the bible tend to be less likely to view it as the literal word of God.
I can't see it as a bad thing to destroy the one thing that allows fundamentalism to remain so strong: ignorance.
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Post by lazario on Feb 27, 2008 17:12:00 GMT -5
you just have a problem with religion so you are twisting everything around.. You wish it was that simple. But I'm a realist. I'm not prone to being paranoid or making things up. I'm focusing on a lot of solid facts. There is nothing positive that can come from teaching the bible in more public schools. That's why I'm taking such an active role in condemning Chuck Norris for it. Because he's not content with selective bible teachings. He is forcing his fans to agree with him. Are you seriously saying "Fuck everyone else" because you think this won't affect you?basically yea..i dont care about any1 else unless its my family or close friemds.. so honestly why would i care what any1 is taught and learns?? Well, fuck you then. Why should we care what happens to you if you don't care what happens to your own country? It's downright sick to be as irresponsible, ignorant, and apathetic as you are. I wouldn't trust people like you with so much responsibility as not hitting people with your car. I guess the only reason you don't do things like that is that you'd get in trouble for it. We all care about people. That's why we have opinions about social things. Even you do. just becase people learn religion doesnt mean they are gonna all of a sudden become a religious freak..millions of people go to church and sunday school and stuff like that and they are not religious freaks.. When these kids are fed Bible Class fundamentalism, they are being taught to disagree with abortion and homosexuality among many other things. We don't need more kids being force-fed bible hatred and notions of control other people's rights. You came from a different generation. Today's generations of kids are mostly total idiots. They're all being brainwashed in hundreds of ways. This is just one more way for the religious right to start programming kids even more than they already do. Just wait, you'll see I'm right. But I'd rather fucking see us do something about it now. While there's still time. The least you can do is understand how serious of an issue this is. Just because you avoided brainwashing (I agree, you're not brainwashed) doesn't mean today's generations will be just like you. In fact, far from the contrary. you are acting as if this is going to turn into some type of cult shit.. i think you have seen one to many movies Oh yeah? What movies talk about the religious right making people think the way they do? And, you said too many, so - tell me about all the movies that are like that that you know for a fact I have seen. Man- you're full of shit. Cut it.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Feb 27, 2008 18:45:08 GMT -5
haha ok well your just twisting everything so im just gonna stop before it goes any further because its just dumb now
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Post by lazario on Feb 28, 2008 2:59:22 GMT -5
I respect what you're trying to say, but you're not paying attention to what I'm telling you.
I doubt you ever were. And this is a very important issue. So... go back to Kindergarten with your ignorance.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Feb 28, 2008 5:26:27 GMT -5
and i respect what you are trying to say
i think its stupid to study the bible in schools.. i dont agree with it but i also think you are making to big a deal out of it.. your acting as if kids are gonna study the bible and then all become some mindless bible freak zombies.. most wouldnt even care or pay attention to it.. its just another boring subject like history or math just like i said..i dont think you should be forced to learn history either because its fucking boring and pointless.. but if kids are to study the bible its not gonna become some cult type of shit where the entire world is gonna be overrun by religious bible freaks..and that is what you seem to think
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Post by lazario on Feb 28, 2008 13:56:59 GMT -5
if kids are to study the bible its not gonna become some cult type of shit where the entire world is gonna be overrun by religious bible freaks..and that is what you seem to think You don't get it. That's not what the problem will be!!!!! When abortion is taken away from women, it won't fucking be A Cult who takes it away! It will be The Government! The Supreme Court, Politicians, The President. And that happens when "Most People" disagree with it. That will happen if we allow The Bible to be taught in schools. The longer kids hear these teachings, the more future generations will agree with The Religious Right. And then, more members of the The Government will vote to overturn Roe V Wade and then, Abortion will become illegal. Gay Marriage needs to become legal. It is imperative. This is America: Land of the Free. It would be a long battle to finally get it legal in any states, let alone "most." If The Bible is taught in public schools, there will not only be more kids raised to believe gays shouldn't be allowed to marry, but A LOT more religious intolerance toward gays - further pushing the two apart. We're trying to create harmony. Make this world better for future generations of gay people. You can say "kids won't pay attention" until you're blue in the face. THEY WILL BEGIN TO! Soon enough to start doing extreme damage! The people pushing Bible Education will find a way to make them believe it. i also think you are making to big a deal out of it.. your acting as if kids are gonna study the bible and then all become some mindless bible freak zombies.. Why do you think these people are pushing to get the bible taught in schools? They know kids won't pay attention. So they are going to find a way to make them. They're going to make it like phys ed. If you fail, you won't advance to the next grade. Teachers will lose their jobs if they don't teach it exactly the way each state demands. As it is, teachers are still told to never talk about religion. And if "most" schools get it, all schools will get it. And they'll push it further. You don't know how relentless these people are. Right now, though he'll be gone in about 11 months, we have a President who supports pushing the bible further. That hasn't happened in a long time. Chuck Norris is being recruited because the religious right knows another overly religious President will be an iron fist in getting the bible pushed into all areas where it is banned. I can't believe you don't see any of this. It signals to me that you have no idea what's going on. This is about Barriers. Every group has them. The Religious Right are trying to knock theirs down. So that they'll have more control over the people who aren't yet decided what faith and what beliefs they want to have. Which means more voters for presidential candidates approved by the Religious Right, more protesters at abortion clinics. They know how important kids are. Kids grow up. And they remember things they are taught. More than you think. Don't pretend you're the only Type of young person in this country. Remember when you were in school! We all saw a lot of people we would describe as brainless. There are more of those every day. They will start to believe the bullshit these people are preaching. Chuck Norris doesn't care about freedoms. He doesn't have to rant and rave. In fact - don't be stupid. The more calm and relaxed a person is, often, the more people are attracted to their message. He's just as bad as any "Bible Freak." He's using his fan club, the ones who say everything he does "kicks ass" and that no one could beat him. The ones who will support anything Chuck supports. All we can hope for is that Chuck disappears soon, or gets another job. And shuts up.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Feb 28, 2008 22:23:01 GMT -5
regardless if they teach the bible gay marriage will be legal everywhere soon enough.. when people teach the bible they are not talking about gay marriage.. be real
you are just so obsessed with gay rights and all that stuff that you just love to find ways to complain about how gays are not treated right.. like i said i agree it should be legal and think it will be soon enough.. but when we are talking about teaching the bible we are not talking about gay marriage
find me anywhere where chuck says he doesnt believe in gay marriage.. the only ones who dont believe in that are the religous freaks and the people who fear gays.. liek i said people can be religous and not hate gays.. in your warped mind every1 is against you because you are gay
as for abortions they will always happen too.. i dont think they will ever close abortion clinics.. and even if they do there will always be people willing to do it illegal..bring the bitch to me.. ill run my own underground abortion clinic
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Post by lazario on Mar 7, 2008 11:13:28 GMT -5
You have no clue what you're talking about.
But I wouldn't have it any other way. I like being the smartest person in a debate.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Mar 9, 2008 3:19:59 GMT -5
I like being the smartest person in a debate.
it must suck for you when you get in debates then
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