lowkey
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Post by lowkey on May 5, 2008 7:46:28 GMT -5
I Spit On Your Grave is just a poorly made film. I don't think it does anything right, though the castration scene is pretty...uh painful to watch, so I guess they achieved what they were looking for there. I did enjoy listening to the Joe Bob Briggs commentary too.
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Post by lazario on May 5, 2008 8:22:53 GMT -5
What did he say? I mean, what does he think about the movie? It's weird, one of the coolest, most funny personalities in the entire horror genre... watching one of the most sick, sadistic, hateful films in the entire genre... I don't get the connection.
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Post by lowkey on May 5, 2008 13:29:59 GMT -5
His take on it is mixed, but he does defend it. Not so much as a good movie, but as one with a degree of artistic merit. He's not shy about pointing out it's flaws, but on the other hand he tries to argue that it's not about glorifying violence against women, but empowering them. He also gets into the morality of the murders of the the retarded guy, and the one who she castrates. He views it as a movie trying to make a valid social statement about rape, even if it's done ineptly and comes off looking sleazy. If it outrages and sickens us, good, that's how rape is supposed to make us feel. That's how the very up close, and personal incident that inspired the director, made him feel.
He does inject a lot of his humor into it too. Like in one part he's talking about how the movie was shot in Connecticut, and he says something like, "I didn't even know they had hillbillies in Connecticut."
John Bloom is actually a very good, thought provoking writer imo. He's one of the few Christian personalities that I don't think is talking out his ass, and actually makes a lot of sense. It's kind of a shame that he's better known for playing the Joe Bob Briggs character, even though that's something he clearly loves, and does very well. He's kind of like Howard Cosell in a sense--great at one thing, which ends up overshadowing anything else he tries to do. Everyone associates him with b-movies, and have trouble thinking of him as an intellectual, social, political and religious commentator. LOL he did get to host a really awesome religious segment on the Daily Show for a while though.
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Post by tsmooth31 on May 5, 2008 17:25:06 GMT -5
i spit on your grave wasnt a bad movie at all..although it was unrealistic in some spots
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Post by lazario on May 6, 2008 10:03:25 GMT -5
he tries to argue that it's not about glorifying violence against women, but empowering them. He views it as a movie trying to make a valid social statement about rape HA! I'll buy that line when I'm dead. I'll agree the concept of her revenge would work. But the movie clearly shows a vicious rape so that murder in a movie could be justified. Please, we're horror fans. We don't need to see anything to justify murder! A movie doesn't need a rape scene that lasts over 30 minutes so that a maybe 1-minute a piece murder scene per rapist will have dramatic power to it. That's highly pretentious. it's done ineptly and comes off looking sleazy. If it outrages and sickens us, good, that's how rape is supposed to make us feel. That's how the very up close, and personal incident that inspired the director, made him feel. This is a horror film, not a documentary. We don't need to see a rape this vicious to understand it's a bad thing. Let alone the fact that The Last House on the Left already tackled that subject and was a far better film. I am not outraged or sickened by the rape scene in the movie. It's a movie, I know the difference between movies and real life. What bothers me is that the director thinks he can insult our intelligence like that- this film clearly pandered to its' women-hating audience back when it was first released theatrically (read Roger Ebert's review for a very accurate shock-treatment of how these "down 'n' dirty" exploitation films are seen by their audiences!). What we saw in Last House was shocking enough and more than enough to send enough of a message about how horrifying this experience is. This film seems to think a snuff film (even if it's faked) can be meaningful. This is crap for the same reason Cannibal Holocaust is. If he's not going to use balance to back up his idea, and it was a stupid idea anyway - he can't just say the idea is valid enough to make the movie an important and effective film, regardless of how it's made. And there was nothing balanced about the events of I Spit on Your Grave. Nothing. I still like Joe Bob, though. 1 mistake is clearly forgivable. It's his track record - he already championed films like Last House on the Left, Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer, The Evil Dead, and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre - movies that shocked people but were very excellent films, valid films, influencial films, and truly classic films that became in some ways targets for the media, the MPAA, or Hollywood's disdain for the genre. After burning out on those great films, he started looking for anything that would shock people, even if they were complete crap. He wanted to keep the "grindhouse / video nasty" effect alive as long as he could.
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Post by tsmooth31 on May 6, 2008 14:40:54 GMT -5
This is a horror film, not a documentary. We don't need to see a rape this vicious to understand it's a bad thing.
sure rape is a terrible thing and we all know that.. but i like it when it bad in a movie.. not because thats what i ike to see but because it makes you root harder for the women to get revenge
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Post by lazario on May 6, 2008 16:07:28 GMT -5
That's stupid and seriously naive. There are dozens of things women deserve revenge for.
What I want to see is a woman kill a guy for snapping her fucking bra string. Or for having an eating disorder. Or for one of the hundreds of other stupid things guys do or are responsible for everyday. Why do women have to go through the depths of someone else's depravity to deserve revenge? Guys in fucking westerns blow 7, 8 guys away at a time just for looking at him crosseyed. Eastwood, Brenner, Bronson. Plus, the action movie stars like Seagal, Stallone, Lamas, Snipes. They lay waste to entire roomfuls of guys for no particular reason. Why is it a woman has to be put through more to get a revenge?? Don't you think women go through enough as it is??
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Post by shunty on May 6, 2008 17:27:18 GMT -5
It WAS too graphic. Made me sick and disturbed that someone would want to film that.
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Post by tsmooth31 on May 6, 2008 18:13:22 GMT -5
That's stupid and seriously naive. There are dozens of things women deserve revenge for.
What I want to see is a woman kill a guy for snapping her fucking bra string. Or for having an eating disorder. Or for one of the hundreds of other stupid things guys do or are responsible for everyday. Why do women have to go through the depths of someone else's depravity to deserve revenge? Guys in fucking westerns blow 7, 8 guys away at a time just for looking at him crosseyed. Eastwood, Brenner, Bronson. Plus, the action movie stars like Seagal, Stallone, Lamas, Snipes. They lay waste to entire roomfuls of guys for no particular reason. Why is it a woman has to be put through more to get a revenge?? Don't you think women go through enough as it is??
well i wasnt just talking about women.. revenge movies are much better when the victim is really tormented.. if its a guy i wanna see his family killed and him get the shit beat beaten right out of him..if its a girl i wanna see her gang raped and smacked around.. do i wanna see that in real life?? absolutly not.. but it makes for a geat revenge movies..i love watching a rapist scumbag get his dick cut off.. the more violent and disgusting the bad guys are to the victim makes me feel for the victim that much more and relly wanna see them get revenge
you mentioned seagal and stuff and yea while some of his movies are fun to watch i really cant get into as much if he is fighting for nothing and that goes for any action movies
when it comes to a movie nothing is ever too graphic..because it is only a movie and the fact is rape happens in real life.. its a terrible disgusting thing to do but that is the reason i like it so much in a movie..because like i said it really gives me a reason to root for the women..
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Post by malbowski13 on May 6, 2008 19:11:27 GMT -5
I think it has to do with that "woman scorned" line. If she has been fucked up, it puts a lot more into the role than her just whipping ass.IMO, a 250 lb. beast kicking ass is a lot more believable than a 90 lb. ex-model.
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Post by lazario on May 7, 2008 5:59:27 GMT -5
T - movies are not just ideas. They are effect too. That's why there is such a thing as too graphic and too much. Books are just ideas. Movies have to be made well. There has to be a balance and skill. Without that, there is nothing but stuff on the screen. I'd rather watch something good than something that's crap.
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Post by lowkey on May 7, 2008 7:57:10 GMT -5
You can learn a lot about film making from the crap though. Arguably more. When something is done well it's harder to analyze it piece by piece, because it comes off looking seamless. With poorly made movies, things are more obvious. When you see a boom mike on screen you immediately realize that someone was being careless, or lazy there.
I think this is why we end up with so much crap. Aspiring film makers study good movies, and try to imitate that. Problem is they don't appreciate exactly what makes those films so good to begin with. Instead they should study the garbage, and learn what to avoid.
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Post by lazario on May 8, 2008 8:41:16 GMT -5
Can't argue with that at all. That's a very fine point, very well stated.
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