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Post by Evil Dave on Oct 27, 2007 6:18:55 GMT -5
^^^ Exactly.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Oct 27, 2007 14:11:33 GMT -5
i feel a long rant coming on from laz about how you guys know nothing about movies and halloween is much better  |
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Post by Evil Dave on Oct 27, 2007 18:49:26 GMT -5
^^^ Bring him on. ;D
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Post by lazario on Oct 28, 2007 10:04:13 GMT -5
T, get a life. If you can.
Black Christmas kicked off the North American slasher film craze of course and was probably some kind of influence on Halloween. But it's not a masterpiece. Sure it's outstanding. But no masterpiece. Halloween was the real trend setter. And maybe Black Christmas would have been too if things like the film's name hadn't hampered it's success in America. Halloween was just better.
And as for Bay of Blood / Twitch of the Death Nerve, which I've yet to see (I really don't want to have to buy the Bava volume 2 boxset for $40 just because I want 1 movie in that set... okay 2, Lisa and the Devil is the other) - that film was still an Italian giallo. Which is still characterized a lot by the killer's motivation. I'm no giallo expert but there are certainly differences between it and the slasher. My research shows, with the exception of Dario Argento's films, most giallos that came before him were about killers killing people for money. Money or things that were worth money.
And vincent price- great to see another Slasher fan. I'm a real fan myself (one of the main reasons I would even put hard earned money up for things like the double feature for Initiation / Mountaintop Motel Massacre).
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Post by Evil Dave on Oct 28, 2007 11:30:10 GMT -5
^^^ Good points.
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Post by vincentprice on Oct 28, 2007 12:16:56 GMT -5
"was probably some kind of influence on Halloween"
It was a direct influence on Halloween, Halloween originally was meant to be a sequel to Black Christmas until Bob Clark basically gave the idea to John Carpenter.
As for Bay Of Blood, I wouldn't call it a Giallo at all. It is basically a Slasher flick. Two of the kills themselves were copied directly in Friday The 13th Part 2. You should check it out, it's pretty great.
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Post by Evil Dave on Oct 29, 2007 6:12:06 GMT -5
^^^ Also good points.
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Post by lazario on Oct 29, 2007 11:57:32 GMT -5
Thank you. I never deny praise or spit in the face of a great movie. Black Christmas was a North American innovator. I'm not a fanboy- I don't take anything away from a movie that earned it. Including my respect. However, as a filmmaker, Bob Clark can be an acquired taste. "was probably some kind of influence on Halloween" It was a direct influence on Halloween, Halloween originally was meant to be a sequel to Black Christmas until Bob Clark basically gave the idea to John Carpenter. Bob Clark didn't give the idea to anyone - the idea came from Moustafa Akkad and producer Irwin Yablans. It was originally about babysitters and a murderer. Only the style of the murder's p.o.v. shot has ever been linked to Black Christmas. The Halloween theme of the movie came from the producer Irwin Yablans checking around to see if any horror movie had ever been made about Halloween before. To his or anyone else's knowledge, the only real movie to deal with Halloween before was The Little Girl Who Lives Down the Lane, a psychological thriller starring little Jodie Foster. As for Bay Of Blood, I wouldn't call it a Giallo at all. It is basically a Slasher flick. Two of the kills themselves were copied directly in Friday The 13th Part 2. You should check it out, it's pretty great. Okay... How many giallos have you seen? ;D |
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Post by tsmooth31 on Oct 29, 2007 15:05:40 GMT -5
i still need to see black christmas...as for bay of blood i saw it along time ago and from what i remember i liked it
but no movie can touch messiah of evil...the best movie from the 70's
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Post by vincentprice on Oct 29, 2007 16:59:30 GMT -5
"Director Bob Clark, in the On Screen documentary, claims that he came up with the basic idea of Halloween (including its title) as a hypothetical sequel to Black Christmas; he later gave the idea to John Carpenter."
And as for Bay Of Blood not being a Giallo, that's just my own opinion. From the Giallos I've seen, the only real thing they have in common is the violence. Overall, I'd say it is a straight-up Slasher with maybe some Giallo influence since it is Mario Bava.
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Post by Evil Dave on Oct 30, 2007 8:01:09 GMT -5
However, as a filmmaker, Bob Clark can be an acquired taste. This is very true. |
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Post by lazario on Oct 30, 2007 15:11:05 GMT -5
but no movie can touch messiah of evil...the best movie from the 70's I'm sure that movie is good... But the best movie from the 70's?? I dun know. "Director Bob Clark, in the On Screen documentary, claims that he came up with the basic idea of Halloween (including its title) as a hypothetical sequel to Black Christmas; he later gave the idea to John Carpenter." Well that doesn't matter, because Bob Clark and his planned sequel have never been mentioned in any of the information on Halloween, and I would know- I have seen more making of documentaries and read more about Halloween than the amount of times I've actually seen the movie itself. If John Carpenter, Debra Hill, Irwin Yablans, and Moustafa Akkad don't / didn't mention it, than it didn't go into the making of the movie. Besides, Bob Clark said he only started making horror movies to get himself into the movie industry. Which is cool, I don't hold anything against him. But you know when a guy like him starts thinking about sequels... it's only about the money, because the film was successful in Canada (I hear). And as for Bay Of Blood not being a Giallo, that's just my own opinion. From the Giallos I've seen, the only real thing they have in common is the violence. Overall, I'd say it is a straight-up Slasher with maybe some Giallo influence since it is Mario Bava. Well, with the exception of Psycho (1960), there were no slasher films before Black Christmas, but there was the Giallo. So, though it definitely broke rules... Bay of Blood / Twitch of the Death Nerve still followed the Giallo program. Anyway- I think they have more in common than just the violence. Tell me the reason for the killers killing the victims. |
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Post by tsmooth31 on Oct 30, 2007 16:06:46 GMT -5
but no movie can touch messiah of evil...the best movie from the 70's
I'm sure that movie is good... But the best movie from the 70's?? I dun know.
maybe not THE best...but i do thinks its the most underrated...since not many people know about it
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Post by lazario on Oct 30, 2007 16:22:30 GMT -5
You're right about that - I immediately went to IMDb to read up on it... there are literally almost no reviews on the movie.
Plus - it doesn't have a good region 1 DVD release yet.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Oct 30, 2007 16:27:41 GMT -5
yea i have a dvd but it is not great quality
but i really dont mind that much..its good enough it just feels like your watching an old vhs tape
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Post by lazario on Oct 30, 2007 16:58:47 GMT -5
But just think... If Anchor Bay, MGM, Blue Underground, Dark Sky, Kino, Pinoeer, Roan Group, Image, or Elite... it would be much better.
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Post by shunty on May 4, 2008 2:22:43 GMT -5
Last House on the Left
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Post by lazario on May 5, 2008 1:09:25 GMT -5
I like that film a lot too. Texas Chainsaw Massacre is a better scare machine. But Last House is far more realistic and disturbing. It shows you the full depths of human cruelty from the very inside. In truly excrutianting detail.
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Post by shunty on May 5, 2008 1:58:14 GMT -5
Yeah. Although the bad guys aren't completely inhuman like in I Spit on Your Grave. That's why that movie failed where Last House succeeded.
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Post by lazario on May 5, 2008 2:57:51 GMT -5
One of the reasons.
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