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Post by piggsy on Jun 10, 2008 20:09:41 GMT -5
You know, the more and more I think about it, Tsmooth does provoke most of the arguements you two have. Strange.
I know he's joking about the remake being better than the original. Even a comatose ferret would not make that claim and mean it.
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Post by shunty on Jun 10, 2008 20:26:32 GMT -5
i found night of the demons to be extremely disappointing, but i like your other choices mal
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Post by lazario on Jun 10, 2008 20:29:05 GMT -5
Most people take a look at this kind of movie and they only think of this movie as entertaining because the women take their tops off. But that's not all this movie is. There was a glut of low budget horror movies where you knew women would take their clothes off and you'd see huge boobs. Jim Wynorski is one of the directors who made these kinds of movies. But he took the opportunity when making this, to make it better than this kind of movie would be. Sorority House Massacre II is incredibly moody. Which is something I like. But this is really dark, there are so many shadows over everything. Chuck Cirino did the sound design on Killer Klowns from Outer Space, and he does the entire music score on this movie. And he does it well. It's so cool. Unfortunately, I don't know a lot about music. I just know what I hear that I like. And this score has this thing that makes me look at the scenes of these women in lingerie for what they're doing instead of what they're wearing. All the characters in this movie are doing something that makes logical plot-sense. And the music actually makes the situations they're in very suspenseful. I was actually afraid for what would happen for the girls. They weren't just bimbos to me. And that's the reason, I think, that I keep watching the movie. I love it for other, superficial reasons. Like - when Janey is killed. It's just cool for me to see that white wall splashed with blood the way it is. It's an awesome image. Very horrific and cool, without showing her body being cut open. Very artistic. I've always wanted to see more movies do this. A few have. I also love the way this house looks. It's a damn cool old dilapidated house. This kind of house is cooler than a haunted house. Another reason I think I love this movie is because there are almost no male cast members. I like female characters better. When a writer writes a real female character, sexism is not really typical in the horror genre. But, well-written and poorly written male characters can be equally boring, obnoxious, undynamic, and unattractive. I mean, they can look good (some - REALLY good), but... what do they do? There's always a crudeness. Whether they're gay or straight, whether it's a horror movie or not. This is a sequel to Sorority House Massacre II that the company who released it made to look like an action movie. It's not. It's a cool slasher film just like SHM2. I like this for all the same reasons I like Sorority House Massacre II. I also like sequels that have a feel of the film that came before it. Some kind of same feeling. Some of the same elements. I also forgot to mention in SHM2 when I was talking about it - Orville Ketchum. He's awesome!! You think throughout the whole movie that he's the killer. He's not. I like misdirection. I like it a lot. Same thing happens here, only you know who the killer will be. Whatever. The cast is mostly the same, it feels the same, the music is awesome. Speaking of misdirection. Here's a movie that mixes genres - which is another thing I like. If you don't like haunted house films, and I don't, if the zombie sub-genre isn't your favorite, and it's not mine, and you love slasher films and gore and bloodshed, and I do - you get the total package here. It's part haunted-house film, part zombie film, part slasher film. It's everything I could ever want. Plus, people acting evil, which I like. You see all the characters acting human, then you see what they're like as crazed killers, because the movie uses the zombie sub-genre element of the living-dead trying to kill the living to show us friends turning into killers on each other. And they don't just kill their friends, they go all-out evil. Steve's transformation is so bone-chilling, it's almost funny. His whole personality changes. And the actor's performance is amazing! This guy clearly was a pro (even though this is the only movie he ever did). Plus, this movie has probably the best blood / gore I've ever seen in any movie. I mean, nothing comes to mind that satisfied me more as a gorehound. Except maybe the nurse getting her head ripped off in Dead Alive. That window scene is the best onscreen death scene I've ever seen. Again, nothing comes to mind that satisfied me more. Of course, it also was really horrifying and nasty, so it wasn't fun. It was still impressive, but also painful feeling and all that. To me, this film deals more with trust and distrust and does a better job of that than John Carpenter's The Thing. In John Carpenter's The Thing, they're afraid of someone being... a pile of special effects. In Dead Dudes in the House, you see these people turn evil. REALLY evil. there's more left. But it actually takes a lot out of me to write this much. I'll have to do more on a later date.
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Post by lazario on Jun 10, 2008 20:31:02 GMT -5
I know he's joking about the remake being better than the original. Even a comatose ferret would not make that claim and mean it. Oh, I assure you, T is NOT kidding about that. He says The Texas Chainsaw Massacre '74 is not only a bad movie but one of the worst horror movies he's ever seen. That's just because he didn't like it.
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Post by Necroscope on Jun 10, 2008 20:31:56 GMT -5
Nice choices Mal! I actually know a couple of people in My Bloody Valentine. It was filmed in my buddy's hometown. Weird...
And Jessica Alba is a shitty actress.
Don't mean to nitpick, Laz, but I think you meant Jessica Biel. And quite frankly, her rolling around in a wet, white tank top was the only saving grace of the remake...
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Post by lazario on Jun 10, 2008 20:33:37 GMT -5
I NOTICED THAT. I meant to fix it but I completely forgot!!
LOL!
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Post by tsmooth31 on Jun 10, 2008 20:34:45 GMT -5
all the texas chainsaw movies are crap, except for that one new one, i forget the name texas chainsaw the begining or something
and dead dudes in the house has gotta be the stupidist name for a movie with a horrible cover
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Post by shunty on Jun 10, 2008 20:38:01 GMT -5
hey i've wanted to see hard to die for a long time because it's an exploitation movie that got an NC-17. Is it worth going out of my way to see?
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Post by lazario on Jun 10, 2008 20:39:36 GMT -5
Well, I agree the sequels to the original were crap. But the original is a masterpiece and one of the TOP 5 best horror films ever made. Ever.
Dead Dudes in the House is a terrible title. And if you think that cover is horrible, you should see the "Hip Hop" cover. It's green, and it's got 5 guys on the cover that look like Kids Incorporated rejects! But the original title for the movie sucks too, The House on Tombstone Hill. Someone said the movie was supposed to be called, The Dead Come Home. That's slightly better.
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Post by lazario on Jun 10, 2008 20:42:25 GMT -5
hey i've wanted to see hard to die for a long time because it's an exploitation movie that got an NC-17. Is it worth going out of my way to see? Well the DVD is out of print and you might not be able to get it from Netflix, but if you can and/or there's any way you have to see it, I would say - SEE IT. But that's just because I love it to death. There's no real gore or blood (well there's blood splashed on walls), part of it is funny, it's incredibly cheesy. Lots of screaming and running around - which I love. I would recommend it if you do like movies like Hollywood Chainsaw Hookers and Sorority Babes in the Slimeball Bowl-O-Rama. Which I did, to an extent. If you've ever seen those kinds of movies, you'll probably like this too. It fits right into that direct-to-VHS, late '80s / early '90s, Fred Olen Ray / David DeCoteau / Jim Wynorski period. If you've never seen any of those kinds of movies, you might like it. But you might also hate the cheesiness of it.
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Post by shunty on Jun 10, 2008 20:50:59 GMT -5
i liked cheerleader massacre because it was such a great good-bad movie (if that makes any sense) but i thought sorority house massacre II sucked. i guess i'll check it out, cuz what the fuck.
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Post by lowkey on Jun 10, 2008 21:29:03 GMT -5
I liked TCM2 quiet a lot. It was the first TCM I saw, and I've loved it ever since.
3 isn't too bad either. It loses points for the tacked on happy ending, Newline execs forced into it though. I've seen the workprint, and they really should clean that one up and release it. Out of all the sequels this one is the closest to the original.
4 was a complete disaster though. I honestly believe it was made by crack heads.
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Post by lazario on Jun 10, 2008 23:56:11 GMT -5
i liked cheerleader massacre because it was such a great good-bad movie (if that makes any sense) Cheerleader Massacre? Never heard of it. But the IMDb says it came out in 2003. That's a joke. The best good-bad movies came out in the late '80s / early '90s. Stuff with Linnea Quigley, Brinke Stevens, Michele Bauer, Elizabeth Kaitan. Your sensibilities are way too modern. Fuck the new millennium. But whatever, if that's what you like, that's what you like.
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Post by shunty on Jun 11, 2008 0:11:13 GMT -5
i like stuff from back in the day and modern stuff. it's just a movie. anyway, i'll report back when i see hard to die.
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Post by lazario on Jun 11, 2008 0:12:23 GMT -5
I'm telling you - it's the same as Sorority House Massacre II. Only in a big office building and there's some machine guns and some voodoo. And lots of elevator scenes.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Jun 11, 2008 0:18:41 GMT -5
the only watchable texas chainsaw was the new begining one, the remake wasnt a good movie but it was better then the steaming pile of dung that is the orignal TCM, infact just about anything tobe hooper directed has been a steaming pile of horseshit, he may be the worst director in film history
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Post by shunty on Jun 11, 2008 0:26:36 GMT -5
i don't like hooper either, but i do like the original massacre. what didn't you like about it?
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Post by tsmooth31 on Jun 11, 2008 0:30:14 GMT -5
just bored the living hell out of me, it was supposed to be so shocking and disturbing, maybe back in the 70's it was but today the only shocking thing was how boring it was, and its called the texas chainsaw massacre so where was the chainsaw
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Post by lazario on Jun 11, 2008 0:42:10 GMT -5
T - if all you do is say the movie wasn't what people told you it was, and what they told it was WAS ONLY A FEW WORDS... you're never going to get the movie.
And I'll bet you've only seen it once. It took more than one viewing for me to understand it. My first viewing, I saw it and thought- "that's it?" too. But I'm a lot smarter now than I was then. It's a masterpiece. Through and through. And there is no fucking way on Earth that remake could be considered better by any sane, rational person.
Sorry, I don't mean bad things against you, T. But what you're doing is fucked up and it's insulting to the greatest genre of films there is. And I just can't forget everytime you insult the genre that you have said things in the past like - "I love (whatever sport) as much as horror." That might be why you don't understand a masterpiece LIKE Texas Chainsaw Massacre - that's only One Example - as well as you perhaps should.
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Post by lowkey on Jun 11, 2008 1:27:30 GMT -5
Well the Exorcist didn't live up to my expectations either. I watched TCM before I knew much about it. I put off seeing the Exorcist until a girl-friend made me watch it with her, and by that time it had been so overhyped to me, I found it boring. I'm sure if I had of watched it when I was 8 years old too, I might feel differently about it today.
Rosemary's Baby is another one. Unlike the Exorcist though, I truly can't see why people ever found it good, scary, or shocking. It's simply 2+ hours, of an extremely annoying Mia Farrow, trying to avoid elderly people. That's the daily routine of every douche bag, that dumps elderly parents off at nursing homes, and forget about them until it's time for the will reading. Nothing shocking, or scary about that at all, even when you factor in the devil-baby at the end. The Omen on the other hand, was an enjoyable movie, even if it is campy.
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