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Post by lazario on May 13, 2008 13:16:58 GMT -5
Very well stated, Piggsy.
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Post by tsmooth31 on May 13, 2008 18:35:22 GMT -5
it doesnt matter how bad you are hurt.. or how bad your life was
there is no excuse for murder or rape
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Post by malbowski13 on May 13, 2008 19:04:18 GMT -5
I'm in the middle. Rape is ultimately disgusting and ruins people's lives. Pedophiles are by far the scum of the earth and have no place in society. I do believe in justifiable homicides though, depending on the situation.
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Post by tsmooth31 on May 13, 2008 19:41:33 GMT -5
^^ well yea if some1 deserves to die, i agree with killing a rapist or something like that, but i was mainly talking about senseless murders..i was basically talking about the type of people that go into schools or malls and just shoot people up, sure they may have had bad lives but there is no excuse for that and they deserve to die.. and yes pedophiles and rapists are the worst
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Post by malbowski13 on May 13, 2008 19:46:29 GMT -5
Very true T. Scumbags,these shooters. If you can't hack certain aspects of life, why harm "innocent" people? Killing yourself at the end is very classy too.(sarcastic)
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Post by piggsy on May 13, 2008 20:14:03 GMT -5
I agree. Those people deserve no sympathy. But what about the people who do not know what they are doing? The people who are so insane that they cannot see suffering in people?
Surely they are not to blame. Murder is wrong, but it's not always that person's fault.
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Post by tsmooth31 on May 14, 2008 0:24:11 GMT -5
^ i dont believe any1 can ever be that insane, thats just a cheap copout.. there is no way in hell you are going to convince me any1 is crazy enough to not know what they are doing.. they are just so crazy that they dont care who they hurt.. to see suffering in a person is almost like a natural reflex.. when it comes to physically hurting another person, no matter how crazy, stupid, insane or fucked up you are you know when you are hurting some1, they may not be all the way with it and may not know much but they atleast know that
now maybe if a man was raised with wolves and raised as a cannibal from birth i could have some sympathy....MAYBE
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Post by lazario on May 15, 2008 5:55:53 GMT -5
T - how stupid can you be? How do you think people get the impulse to do bad things? Do you honestly believe criminals are just born?? Everyone knows criminals are made. And they are made through just what I said. Just because you can't differentiate between entertainment and real life doesn't mean other people can't.
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Post by tsmooth31 on May 15, 2008 6:07:43 GMT -5
uhh a criminal knows what hes doing, get real.. criminals rob banks and do bad things because they believe they can get away with it not because they dont know its not the right thing to do
most people are crminals for 2 reasons, out of desperation or because they simple believe they are above the law and can get away with it.. either way they know what they are doing is wrong
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Post by malbowski13 on May 15, 2008 6:32:19 GMT -5
They know what they're doing,they don't know what they are doing...who gives a shit. Just get them off the streets. It is a privilege to be part of our society,not a right.
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Post by lazario on May 15, 2008 6:49:33 GMT -5
uhh a criminal knows what hes doing, get real.. criminals rob banks and do bad things because they believe they can get away with it not because they dont know its not the right thing to do This isn't about whether they're insane or not when they do what they do. It's about what makes them WANT to do it. Hello! Seriously - pay attention, T. You want to be right so bad, that you keep changing the direction of the conversation. And you do this everytime you argue with someone. Nobody gives a fuck about what state of mind they're in when they do it. Knowing what makes them do it is what helps us stop others from turning into criminals and bad people.
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Post by tsmooth31 on May 15, 2008 6:55:20 GMT -5
im not changing anything.. all i stated before was i dont believe any1 is every to insane to not know that murder or rape is a terrible thing to do
you were the one that changed the direction of the conversation on me
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Post by lazario on May 15, 2008 6:58:05 GMT -5
Bullshit. You were the one who said nothing makes people commit crimes. Which you know is fucking bullshit. If that were true - everyone would steal, rape, and kill.
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Post by tsmooth31 on May 15, 2008 7:03:06 GMT -5
when did i say that
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Post by lazario on May 15, 2008 7:09:01 GMT -5
it doesnt matter how bad you are hurt.. or how bad your life was
That's what you said.
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Post by tsmooth31 on May 15, 2008 7:10:40 GMT -5
and after that i said there is no excuse for rape..which there isnt no matter how bad your life was or how bad you were hurt
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Post by lazario on May 15, 2008 7:16:13 GMT -5
I know what you said, T. But guess what - you're the one who said anything about AN EXCUSE. Nobody ever said there was an excuse. That would make them as stupid as you. Sorry, T, but I have to say it. You want to be right, so you change the conversation so that you can slam someone else.
This isn't about excuses or free passes to do bad things. This is about what makes people do those bad things.
This is not about getting people off of things they've done. It's changing the way these things make OTHER PEOPLE do the same things. It's about realizing that Playboy and Girls Gone Wild do make men think women are easy and stupid. So they expect women to care about making them happy. That creates men who think they can dominate women, then sports give them aggression. This combination makes them charm women into being more loose, then when she says "no" - he gets physically pushy, mad, and violent.
As for the rapists on the street, you'll find most people who attack their victims at night, in dark places, where they are both alone are often people who have been dealing with life on the street or poverty circumstances for years.
Same thing with murderers or muggers. They're not exactly doing it because it's fun. And they don't get the idea to do it from O.J. Simpson or because they're born wanting to do it. They get it because of a hard life.
Get it yet? Jesus fucking Christ. What do you think makes people commit crimes? Seriously...
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Post by tsmooth31 on May 15, 2008 7:22:20 GMT -5
well you lost me now because we were we are talking about 2 diff things.. i was saying rapists and murderers know what they are doing and they know its bad
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Post by lazario on May 15, 2008 7:28:58 GMT -5
Okay. Yes, they know. Unless they're really, really sick. I'm talking something Tropical.
Everyone is pissed about people doing bad things. Nobody wants them to not get in trouble for it. We just need to keep our heads about it. Not get too emotional about it. Too angry. Hell, ask me if President Bush should be imprisoned and gang-raped and executed in the most violent, horrifying way possible. But I still know that he's a weak man that was driven to do it by greed, apathy, jealousy, hatred, and other determining factors.
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Post by tsmooth31 on May 15, 2008 7:43:36 GMT -5
hey at least bush is a funny guy, he is like a bad B movie, unintentionally funny
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