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Post by malbowski13 on Dec 1, 2007 21:13:23 GMT -5
I also love that the new Michael Meyer's is a big dude. Meyer's mythology aside, you can't have a normal sized person lifting people up and crushing their heads.Other than that "Where's the Beef" lady...
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Post by lazario on Dec 2, 2007 5:41:04 GMT -5
I never thought Rob Zombie was rated very high, so I can't say he's overrated. Most places you go, the people think Devil's Rejects is great, House of 1,000 Corpses sucks, and Halloween was good for a remake (which isn't saying much because every single new-millennium remake sucks - depending on how high your standards are) but not good enough to help the genre out at all. Just passable entertainment. Skipable but entertaining if you like strippers and that Malcolm McDowell (?) guy.
Of course, other places will say the Halloween remake was godawful, but they won't filet Zombie for it because they liked Devil's Rejects so much.
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Post by Evil Dave on Dec 2, 2007 5:48:30 GMT -5
I hear that a lot too. I like TDR, but I'd definitely say I liked House a lot better. Most people are opposite from me on that. I haven't seen the Halloween remake yet, but I'm sure I'll get around to it eventually.
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Post by lazario on Dec 2, 2007 6:05:57 GMT -5
House was definitely better / more special. Because Sid Haig and Karen Black were excellent in that movie. Until, of course, the movie became all about Bill Moseley and his overacting. Then, Sid disappeared and Karen was reduced to: "who's your daddy?!!" I'm dead serious when I say: Bill Moseley looks incredibly bored in House. But he wasn't half as bored as I was watching him.
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Post by malbowski13 on Dec 2, 2007 10:57:06 GMT -5
Otis was a little over the top. 1000 corpses felt more like an old-school horror where the Devil's Rejects was more like an old-school revenge movie.Also didn't care for the CGI either.
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Post by lazario on Dec 2, 2007 11:06:44 GMT -5
Old-school horror? Not really. Unless you mean an old-school bore. Seriously, they didn't talk like that in most 'old-school' horror movies. More like a Dazed and Confused fanboy's idea of how they used to talk in old-school horror movies. Besides, Chris Hardwick could never act the part of anyone prior to 90's-centered characters.
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Post by malbowski13 on Dec 2, 2007 11:18:59 GMT -5
Based in the 70's then type of old-school.
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Post by lazario on Dec 2, 2007 11:22:32 GMT -5
I've seen plenty of 70's horror movies and compared to even them, House is completely unrecognizable. It has truly almost nothing most 70's horror movies had. It actually just looks and feels like a really bad low-budget direct-to-video 1990's horror movie. Almost nothing 70's about it. In fact, I didn't even notice it was supposed to take place in the 70's. I didn't realize that until I listened to Rob Zombie's audio commentary track.
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Post by malbowski13 on Dec 2, 2007 17:23:59 GMT -5
"How Boss?" "Really fuckin' boss!"
Boss itself is quite a hint as well as vehicles,clothes,commercials,etc. But it does not have a date so it can be up to your interpretation.
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Post by Evil Dave on Dec 3, 2007 1:05:03 GMT -5
I had no problem noticing that it was supposes to take place back in the day. There was plenty that made that pretty clear I thought; the makes and models of the cars, Sheriff Widell's crazy mutton chops, the language, etc.
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Post by lazario on Dec 3, 2007 7:07:40 GMT -5
Well, good for you. Both of you. Very special. Brownie points, big ones.
But still, a lot of the style of the movie was 1990's. Zombie couldn't remove that no matter how hard he tried. So, this obviously doesn't work as vintage 1970's. But it probably works for 90's / 70's mixed.
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Post by Evil Dave on Dec 3, 2007 13:10:29 GMT -5
I think that's all it was supposed to be.
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Post by lazario on Dec 3, 2007 17:10:45 GMT -5
Okay. And I would say that definitely works for the first half. Until the gimmick's kitsch effect wears off and it gets staler than an open bag of Doritos left in the Arizona desert over summer vacation.
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Post by malbowski13 on Dec 3, 2007 18:56:15 GMT -5
The professor and Dr.Satan were cool but the miles of underground caves and the "operating room" near the end dragged the movie down.
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Post by Evil Dave on Dec 4, 2007 0:46:01 GMT -5
Okay. And I would say that definitely works for the first half. Until the gimmick's kitsch effect wears off and it gets staler than an open bag of Doritos left in the Arizona desert over summer vacation. Understandable point of view. I've heard others say they thought the same thing. I guess it's kind of one of those movies where you either like it and buy into it, or you find it boring/silly and don't.
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Post by lazario on Dec 4, 2007 5:11:01 GMT -5
Well, mood and effect can put a sort of spell on viewers. That's why we continue to like a lot of the movies we liked as kids into adult age even when they're not that good. We all have examples of this. Me and the Friday the 13th films, for instance. Except for part VIII, I don't have knock-down, drag-out fights with people over them because they know I just like them. But as for House of 1,000 Corpses... That wasn't exactly around for anyone to fall in love with like they were kids seeing something dirty or gory or dark or unique for the first time. A person would have to be living in the stone age not to know of at least 3 or 4 movies that did what House tried to do many years before it came out. Especially in this internet age where there are tracks back to everything. Which is why I bring up the "spell" effect. I usually don't pay it much mind, though. Because of all the ... people I've encountered online that say things like- "watch it drunk." How lovely. The professor and Dr. Satan were cool but the miles of underground caves and the "operating room" near the end dragged the movie down. Dr. Satan was a leftover from a Marilyn Manson music video. Somehow, he escaped from "Tourniquet." As for the Professor... that was the mutant thing in the black apron with the vomit-hole mouth? That was stupid. The whole second half dragged the movie down. Beginning with the scene where Tiny and Otis attack the car in the rain. The only thing I liked after that point (so I count them as being a little effective) is the last significant dialogue scene with Captain Spaulding and the scene where Baby goes to get liquor. I don't like liquor and I'm not sexually attracted to women. But Sheri Moon-Zombie has something about her that makes you want to watch her walk around like a slut. And if I feel that way- as a gay man, than I can't be the only one.
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Post by Evil Dave on Dec 4, 2007 9:08:53 GMT -5
^^^Yep, I could watch Sheri Moon walk around in anything all day long. ;D
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Post by tsmooth31 on Dec 4, 2007 9:10:54 GMT -5
maybe your not as gay as you think
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Post by Evil Dave on Dec 4, 2007 9:23:48 GMT -5
Well, if anyone could bring someone to the other side, it deff would be Sheri! ;D
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Post by lazario on Dec 4, 2007 10:00:48 GMT -5
maybe your not as gay as you think It's not that - I'm just (a little) old fashioned and (very) uptight. I admit it.
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