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Post by lazario on Mar 27, 2009 8:23:40 GMT -5
I hate to say I TOLD YOU SO, but when I'm right - I'm right. Only, what- a week(?), after I'm attacked for being too serious with BFH about her photos... LOOK what turns up in the News! : news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090327/ap_on_re_us/teen_child_pornLemme break it down for you: 14 year old girl is arrested for child pornography. And ya know who she was sending people naked photos of... ??? Any guesses? Any takers? HERSELF!I'm also going to take a wild guess about you guys, you're probably thinking - what does have to do with anything?DUH...DUH DUH DUH! (try and imagine this is melodic, it's the Dragnet theme I think) I told you all FHM/Maxim-Magazine and Girls Gone Wild culture is fucking up America. You probably all thought I was being... What did you say, Necro: " pretentious" ? Yeah, like I haven't been following the news and paying attention to American society. And if you think Porn-U.S.A.'s penetration into Pop Culture via- the phenomenon of Girls Gone Wild hasn't been a catalyst in this... think again! This girl is going to do hard time. She's going to jail. When that is isn't yet known because she's 14. The Prosecution want to put her away for 17 years! The news article says 17 years is unlikely because she's a minor right now. Right now... But now we have proof that the sort of thing BFH was doing and you guys were defending, is DESTROYING peoples' lives. Even if she doesn't go to Prison, which is possible, she will have to register as a sex offender. That will kill any chance of her having a normal life and a normal job. She will have to register as a sex offender - just because society gives her the message that she has to be a whore to get noticed and to be liked. Read the article and you'll find out that TONS of other young teens are doing this same thing too and getting in trouble with the law for it. It's a full-fledged epidemic. So - what do you have to say NOW?Where are those snarky, petty cracks about - this is just me being an asshole and taking this too seriously - NOW? Oh yeah, this is about me living in my parents' basement (a cliche since That 70's Show, so Necro - it wasn't even original!) and not spending any time outside... Sure. I don't even live that way. But I was right about the problem and now, you know it and you can't HIDE behind your bullshit anymore. Proof is mine.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Mar 30, 2009 2:12:53 GMT -5
calm down
you have no proof as to why she did it, or do you know this girl personally and have you interviewed her??
ur wrong so much and get so much criticism that you try way to hard to be right, this topic is so moronic that i should just delete it
every person has there own mind and should know right from wrong, trying to compare this to what bfh posted is just sad and pathetic
alot of the world is fucked up, but you dont know why anyone does what they do so dont pretend you do
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Post by Necroscope on Mar 30, 2009 3:32:58 GMT -5
I think that the more pressing issue here has to do with the child's parents. We, as a society are so quick to blame the media, technology, or anything else we can get our hands on, so as to deflect blame away from the real problem. The destruction of the family dynamic is what is wrong with north america. The GGW (girls gone wild) phenomenon is merely symptomatic of this. When we expect the TV to babysit our kids, we have to expect our kids to adopt TV's morals and standards. I personally think that this is asking too much of the media. It was never created with this purpose in mind. Nothing can replace the loving guidance of a family. But when that slowly disappears, how can we blame these kids for looking in a place that is not only readily available and culturally dominating, but also unaccountable? Perhaps this is where they go get the attention they so deeply crave, and require.
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Post by lazario on Mar 31, 2009 18:31:05 GMT -5
I think that the more pressing issue here has to do with the child's parents. We, as a society are so quick to blame the media, technology, or anything else we can get our hands on, so as to deflect blame away from the real problem. The destruction of the family dynamic is what is wrong with north america. The GGW (girls gone wild) phenomenon is merely symptomatic of this. When we expect the TV to babysit our kids, we have to expect our kids to adopt TV's morals and standards. I personally think that this is asking too much of the media. It was never created with this purpose in mind. Nothing can replace the loving guidance of a family. But when that slowly disappears, how can we blame these kids for looking in a place that is not only readily available and culturally dominating, but also unaccountable? Perhaps this is where they go get the attention they so deeply crave, and require. That is an excellent reply, Necro. And you make a lot of good points, all of them contrary to what I think and actually see happening in the world. I put the following to you - "loving" families? I think it's obvious that the decades of people living before us may have had more involvement from their parents and authority figures in the way they grew up. But, why would you assume that most of them (or even a lot of them) received mostly positive / loving attention?? In fact, in spite of the fact that things have been getting in some respects more PC now, people had much harsher circumstances growing up in America in the decades previous to this one. For example, you name it really - more child abuse, more black parents abandoning their children, children were not taught to speak out about molestation, adults listened to children less, children were rarely encouraged when it came to their interests, harder circumstances for gay children (obviously), the list goes on and on. It's not like families love their kids less. Though I agree with you that TV for many is teaching children the way to act. And obviously, it's because we both believe that, that is what is making girls start modeling themselves after the behavior they see in those commercials, informercials, etc. This entire culture is saturated with these images. The magazines, E!'s The Girls Next Door, The Man Show, Professional Wrestling, Football Cheerleaders, TONS of commercials where women stand around like they're objects and not people (Old Spice, MANY others), movie commercials where women have to show cleavage or their underwear (Bruce Almighty, Click, Larry the Cable Guy's "films," MANY others)... Young girls get the message every day that they are not people, that who they are doesn't matter. That it's better to be seen, not heard. Etc. This news story proves the damage it's causing. calm down you have no proof as to why she did it, or do you know this girl personally and have you interviewed her?? ur wrong so much and get so much criticism that you try way to hard to be right, this topic is so moronic that i should just delete it every person has there own mind and should know right from wrong, trying to compare this to what bfh posted is just sad and pathetic alot of the world is fucked up, but you dont know why anyone does what they do so dont pretend you do Wow T, a full of shit response from you. More wishful thinking, done just in the hopes that you can keep spiting me. Who would've expected that? Funny thing this time, T... innocent peoples' lives are at stake. Clearly you don't care, you'd rather argue with me - even though you don't have a leg to stand on.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Apr 6, 2009 0:58:28 GMT -5
im sure you also think video games make people go out and kill and beat other people too
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Post by lazario on Apr 9, 2009 10:38:15 GMT -5
You're part of the problem, T. I'll bet you don't even see that.
All people like you ever do is take things like this personally and go, "everyone's trying to attack my freedoms." This isn't about you or video games, you fucking retard. And it's obvious what's going on, who is to blame, how it's affecting young girls - but you deny it, and pretend that this is about me THINKING video games cause violence.
You are some piece of work, you worthless jackass. People like you don't give a fuck about anything unless you think you're being attacked. Wait until your neck is on the chopping block...
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Post by tsmooth31 on Apr 11, 2009 16:48:46 GMT -5
i dont care about anything unless in involves me or some1 i care about. if some 14 year old wants to be a hoe and show her body off to random guys then let that hoe be a hoe, its up to HER to do it or not do it, not anyone else
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Post by lazario on Apr 16, 2009 7:52:04 GMT -5
i dont care about anything unless in involves me or some1 i care about. Then you'd better start PRAYING there is no hell.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Apr 16, 2009 20:47:25 GMT -5
if there is a heaven and hell i wouldnt go to hell for that anyway
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Post by shunty on Apr 16, 2009 21:34:41 GMT -5
geez, this is a dumb topic. sexual repression is what leads to a sex hungry country.
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Post by lazario on Apr 23, 2009 7:11:01 GMT -5
if there is a heaven and hell i wouldnt go to hell for that anyway At least, you'd better hope not. Apathy Kills. That's a fact. sexual repression is what leads to a sex hungry country. I agree, to an extent. But it is absolutely not what makes young women whore themselves. Not to mention, that if we had more sexual freedom, that doesn't mean people would be a lot more accepting of different kinds of sexuality. I'll never say it would be more irresponsible. Maybe it would. But, in a perfect world it wouldn't matter. The world we live in now isn't perfect. And girls are getting the message that they have to be whores to be popular. This News Story is Proof of That. Undeniable proof. geez, this is a dumb topic. No such luck. If only it were.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Apr 23, 2009 13:31:00 GMT -5
And girls are getting the message that they have to be whores to be popular. This News Story is Proof of That. Undeniable proof.
maybe some dumb girls are
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Post by lazario on Apr 25, 2009 14:28:53 GMT -5
Young people are impressionable. It's not a matter of "dumb" or smart. Not everyone knows everything we do, that we've learned from years of experience. The 14-year old girl in this case is learning the wrong messages.
Do you think every person just knows all the right things to do from their birth?
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Post by Necroscope on Apr 27, 2009 20:23:55 GMT -5
That's where parents come in. I know you're not necessarily disputing that fact, but rather that it just doesn't seem to happen in society, and I totally agree. I just think that we should really start assigning the blame where it should be. Leave the media alone and start requiring a license for parenthood. You need one for a gun and, god knows, you can do a lot more damage with a child than a gun. That is, of course, impossible, but I think I've made my point.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Apr 28, 2009 4:50:15 GMT -5
Do you think every person just knows all the right things to do from their birth?
not from birth no, but by 14 you should have some sort of idea, some things in the media might influence people but like necro said i would blame it on the parenting first, not to say parents can control there kids, i mean you can be a great parent and still have a fuck up kid, but when it comes to 14 year old girls taking naked pics and shit i think u deff have to look at the parenting, i would almost bet this girl came from some white trash family and she did this more as a cry for attention
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Post by lazario on Apr 28, 2009 14:35:58 GMT -5
Do you think every person just knows all the right things to do from their birth?not from birth no, but by 14 you should have some sort of idea Well, 14 isn't some magical age where you just gain a bunch of knowledge. A person never stops learning. Dare to dream, T? some things in the media might influence people I know you feel this way. Because somehow, you think violence and sexuality are the same, that if I say people are taught how to act sexually, that I must mean people learn violence the same way. I tried to tell you before - that's crazy. Everyone know violence kills and destroys. Not always as little kids, but like you say... from age 14, they have more than "some sort of idea." They know. But, almost everyone has an ignorant view of sexuality. Everyone learns "lessons about" sex from the mainstream, unless they had really hands-on parents (and that's not necessarily the answer either). Everyone learns and takes a lot about sex from the mainstream. I say- remove the stuff they keep showing on mainstream TV treating women as pure objects. Girls Gone Wild has broken through in a MAJOR WAY. And it's been around for years now. You can't deny it's teaching girls to behave a certain way. Without question the article proves that it is. Many girls. Too many. when it comes to 14 year old girls taking naked pics and shit i think u deff have to look at the parenting, i would almost bet this girl came from some white trash family I'll bet you just the opposite. That she came from a fairly upper-middle class family. Otherwise, she would not have been able to afford legal representation. I'll also bet that the girls who come from white trash families are in even hotter water than girls like this one. That's where parents come in. I know you're not necessarily disputing that fact Oh yeah, I know the parents have a role in this as well. But I'd say things have reached a level where we can't just rely on or expect the parents to do the right things anymore. I give the parents a hard time all the time. But they're not the only ones to blame. Where our culture has rotted around the edges, the sick, apathetic, wormy opportunists like the Mainstream Pornographers have been taking advantage of America's conformist views, the self-esteem issues of guys and girls across the country, and the new chic White Pimp lifestyle that Hugh Hefner helped cultivate - and used it to sell young people Body Image complexes, low opinions of women, and an accepted standard of behavior that women are somewhat expected to conform to. The seed has been planted and for the survival of the Scum, they make sure the young guys spread the word and the magazines and videos... Impressionable young girls have no choice but to do what the Maxim / Girls Gone Wild (and etc.) Pornographers made the young guys think girls have to be to be popular and worthy of being with the guy. You're right that the Parents could stop this and teach the girls... But since they don't, This is not the time for us to go, "oh what a shame. That's too bad." That's completely apathetic and careless. That's like driving by someone getting mugged or beaten on the street when you have a defensive weapon in the car, and just sticking your head out the window and shaking it side-to-side. Or, sighing loudly like silently saying- "Somebody really ought to do something." At the very least, you can shout at the fuckers. Speak up. Say something! Even agree that it's really wrong. Now, since I've started this, I might as well say that the Pornographers and Parents aren't alone in this, I think. Fashion culture and Pop Music is also partly to blame. TV and magazines, etc., that tell women it's more important to look good, sexy, and skinny than it is to be smart, confident, responsible, etc. Pop Culture only seems to care about One Thing: get people to spend. And I would say, that same culture is telling women they need to collect all the most fashionable items, and then that they don't really need them when they go out of style. That means women do end up being expected to spend more than men. All the serious role models for women have been erased or replaced by less important ones. What's the greatest role model for women now? The Female Detective. The Closer, Crossing Jordan, the CSI'ers, the NCIS'ers, the Law & Order girls, and the Deaf Crime Solver woman (don't know the show's name). All the shows follow the same template. That's it. Does anyone really want to take a shot on naming the woman they think is the most positive female role model in pop culture... ? The disappointment of all that, though, is secondary to the exploitation and manipulation of the Girls Gone Wild / Girls Next Door set. I just think that we should really start assigning the blame where it should be. Leave the media alone and start requiring a license for parenthood. In the long run... That is probably the right solution. But all we have is right now. We can't rely on that. The strongest, most reliable solution is to attack the spineless, slimey Mainstream Pornographers. Besides, when girls are being attacked... Do you think the politicians and asshole news commentators (all Card-Carrying Members of the American Media, if you ask me) point the fingers at the parents? Nobody does. Except a few of us. A very few. Everyone knows the Pornographers are partly to blame for this. The only ones protecting them are the ones who like what they do or enjoy seeing women remaining subserviant in their vision of the human race.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Apr 29, 2009 19:18:47 GMT -5
well we both obviously feel different and neither is gonna change the others mind, i think we can all agree that its a mixture of both tho, so well just leave it at that
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Post by lazario on Apr 30, 2009 7:25:44 GMT -5
Until I change my mind, I think that's a good idea.
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