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Post by tsmooth31 on Nov 26, 2008 4:46:31 GMT -5
well i guess you just need to watch it more then, some fights are like you describe, where they get on the ground and try and get each other in an armbar or a chokehold or something to make the other guy tap out, i guess more often then not alot of figthers tend to take it to the ground, but like i said if you watch it enough you will see some guys getting destroyed, or you can always just pick up one of the greatest knockout dvd's which are always fun to watch
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Post by lazario on Nov 27, 2008 4:25:21 GMT -5
Well I don't know if I ever said this directly but - I don't watch movies & TV to "thrill seek." I get a lot of thrills in real life, or enough to keep me satisfied. I'm not jaded (which is hard to believe), dead inside, or intellectually crippled. If I want to watch a murder, I'll go to an execution. If I want to see someone destroyed, there's nothing better than Stand-Up Comedy. You want something brutal? There's nothing more brutal than honesty and nothing more dangerous than thinking. These fights are all bullshit. The guys train and take steroids and get their bodies in shape for a few fights in a fixed period of time... If I want destruction, I'd rather get it from a source I can trust - the brain. The fists? They're reminders of just how little time a person has to be a warrior. I'm surprised you never picked up on that.
Besides, the greatest warriors use philosophy. Remember Mr. Miyagi? They not only kicked people's asses but aired their character flaws as well.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Nov 27, 2008 4:58:25 GMT -5
there you go again trying to make yourself look smarter
You want something brutal? There's nothing more brutal than honesty and nothing more dangerous than thinking.
thats a completely diff type of brutal, again dont try and act is if you are smarter, and you would go to an excecution if you wanted to see murder?? i didnt realize they just let the average joe walk into the excecution room, i get enough thrills in my life, but i love horror so i like to sit back at night and watch horror movies, i watch any and all types, dont sit here and try and talk like some philosopher, you arent gonna fool anyone
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Post by lazario on Nov 27, 2008 6:59:36 GMT -5
there you go again trying to make yourself look smarter I was just giving you reasons why I don't like that kind of thing. It is stupid. It doesn't require intelligence to watch. And intelligence is one of those things that some of us can't turn off. No matter what we're doing. You want something brutal? There's nothing more brutal than honesty and nothing more dangerous than thinking.thats a completely diff type of brutal, again dont try and act is if you are smarter Don't worry, T- there is no competition between me and you because you never could compete with me. You're too... different. and you would go to an excecution if you wanted to see murder?? i didnt realize they just let the average joe walk into the excecution room That was an example. It's the only kind of realistic death I would physically sit through. I called it murder because you keep saying "destroyed" when you talk about these stupid, bullshit fights you like so much. No actual person is being "destroyed," they're both fabrications of real warriors. Each one the same thing, just with different trainings. i get enough thrills in my life, but i love horror so i like to sit back at night and watch horror movies, i watch any and all types, dont sit here and try and talk like some philosopher, you arent gonna fool anyone Here you are, again, still assuming we're competing, with every breath you can muster still trying to make yourself look better than me. Can't handle criticism? Aren't you aware what you can do next- I've only told me about a dozen times in the past couple months alone. I'm surprised it's escaped you, yet again. Horror should be a PASSION for the people who love it, not just one more thing to take your mind off of life's monotony. Horror is something special. I do often have my doubts that someone who loves... what did you say before? It wasn't music. It wasn't UFC either. SPORTS. That's what you said, I think. Yeah. I do often have my doubts that someone who says he loves sports as much as horror, actually understands the genre as well as I do. For me, nothing compares to horror. It comes first and foremost to all other interests and hobbies. And therein lies why there is no competition. Why you can't compete. Make up any excuse you want to. It's just an excuse. It's not the truth.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Nov 27, 2008 18:15:12 GMT -5
well all im gonna say about this is you cant compare watching a man get lethal injection to watching a slasher where a crazed maniac kills dumb teens in creative ways, and yes i like those types of movies, that doesnt mean i dont liek smart horror, there are just so few movies that i would call smart horror, and most of them fail at what they try to accomplish
horror is all about accepting new things and adapting, you compare all these new movies to your fav movies from the 70's, times have changed though, being a horror fan you should realize you need to give more movies a chance, do you think every movie from the 70's was good?? no, you know they werent, there have been alot of good horror movies made this decade, you just need to stop comparing them to the movies you call masterpieces and learn to accept them for what they are, i love horror so i can easily do that, you seem to live horror just like i do so its about time you start
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Post by lazario on Dec 2, 2008 14:20:45 GMT -5
well all im gonna say about this is you cant compare watching a man get lethal injection to watching a slasher where a crazed maniac kills dumb teens in creative ways, and yes i like those types of movies, that doesnt mean i dont liek smart horror, there are just so few movies that i would call smart horror, and most of them fail at what they try to accomplish WELL I'M GLAD YOU'RE ON MY SIDE FOR A CHANGE!Than you recognize that Saw is a piece of shit after all. Don't you? ;D You don't have to say you don't like it. Like it all you want. Just admit it was shit. Because the writers were not smart. They just, apparently, knew how to fool simple-minded audience members. horror is all about accepting new things and adapting, you compare all these new movies to your fav movies from the 70's T, it sounds to me like you mostly see horror from TODAY. So it's you who can't adapt- to great horror made from the 1970's. Which is also the greatest decade in horror history. Complex movies that mastered tons of different areas of quality. Today's horror changed the format by trying to reduce the importance of the elements. But you can't do that. That's trying to turn horror into a totally different genre, not change the kind of movies made into it. Today's horror by and large lacks intelligence, style, and character. This is a fact. Because the filmmakers have grown up in a time where intelligence in film isn't as important as it used to be. Where they care more about money and success than the genre. They fall inline with what the studios say for their paychecks and to get to do other movies like 300 (the director of the Dawn of the Dead remake went on to make 300, an action-drama). It's a more conformist time for directors. Where they all sort of have to or they choose to: act the same. The 1970's was better. The directors were influenced by a much larger variety of sources. What- do you think you know the 1970's well just because you've seen a few 1970's horror movies? Well I don't just watch the movies, I'm interested in the genre. To find out what it is about. So I know more about the filmmakers than you probably do. Call it boring or whatever- but I know what I'm talking about because I care about how it gets made. And the filmmakers from the 70's and 80's knew about things like philosophy, classic literature, psychology, art films, foreign films, theater, science, politics, all sorts of things that they put into their films. All the filmmakers from today do, other than copy, is to make it "as fucked up" as they can, as Eli Roth might say. times have changed though Nobody knows that more than me, T. being a horror fan you should realize you need to give more movies a chance, do you think every movie from the 70's was good?? no, you know they werent, there have been alot of good horror movies made this decade A LOT? Now, as Mal would say: that's stretching it. Okay, for masterpieces, we've had: Ginger Snaps, Masters of Horror: Sick Girl, and... that's it, really. Masterpieces from the 1990's: Peter Jackson's Dead Alive / Braindead, Silence of the Lambs, Misery, Scream, Gremlins 2: The New Batch, Arachnophobia, and maybe some Asian horror movies (I still haven't seen: Ringu, Tell Me Something, or Junk yet). Masterpieces from the 1980's: Peter Jackson's Bad Taste, The Evil Dead, Killer Klowns from Outer Space, David Cronenberg's The Fly, An American Werewolf in London, Q the Winged Serpent, Creepshow (I would say). Masterpieces from the 1970's: The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Carrie, Halloween, Deathdream, Suspiria, Deranged, Dawn of the Dead, Piranha, Deep Red, The Exorcist, The Last House on the Left. Masterpieces from the 1960's: Rosemary's Baby, Carnival of Souls, Repulsion. you just need to stop comparing them to the movies you call masterpieces and learn to accept them for what they are, i love horror so i can easily do that, you seem to live horror just like i do so its about time you start I don't compare movies to movies. I compare ERA to ERA. You can see, if you look, how much has been sucked out of this one right now. If you would give the masters from the 1970's their due, you would understand what's missing from today's horror. The filmmakers today have not subtituted, they've left HUGE, GAPING HOLES. You know what I mean? They're not just not the same, they're not as good. Not even for today, not just not for the fans of great horror- but these movies aren't even good enough for today's world. NOW, the Asians, I'm sure they've made some floppers too. I've seen one. THE EYE. Now, that movie wasn't great. And it was from 2002. So there you go, 1 Asian horror movie that stunk. But, about the Asians: unlike North American & French Horror, they may make holes with what they lack when compared to us- but unlike North American & French horror, the Asians fill their holes. With good characterization and smart writing. REAL smart writing and REAL good characterization. You may not care about those, but I do. And that's what horror's all about. Being good. REAL good. Not just okay. Because without the masterpieces and the REAL good movies- horror would never last.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Dec 4, 2008 22:05:17 GMT -5
WELL I'M GLAD YOU'RE ON MY SIDE FOR A CHANGE!
Than you recognize that Saw is a piece of shit after all. Don't you?
You don't have to say you don't like it. Like it all you want. Just admit it was shit. Because the writers were not smart. They just, apparently, knew how to fool simple-minded audience members.
the ending of saw was very smart, no1 saw that coming, nowadays most twists suck and you can see them coming, i give it credit for having a great ending and an entertaining movie
and i dont wanna get into another argument about todays horror so im just gonna stay silent on the rest for now, no matter what u say u wont change my mind or how i feel
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Post by lazario on Dec 5, 2008 7:48:23 GMT -5
the ending of saw was very smart, no1 saw that coming, nowadays most twists suck and you can see them coming, i give it credit for having a great ending and an entertaining movie Entertaining? If by your definition "entertaining" means yelling at the screen because the movie is so poorly written, acted, and made. If by "entertaining," THAT means yelling because the movie is so bad it makes the smart viewer angry as all hell, yes. If "entertaining" also means: partially destroying the horror genre and turning some so-called fans into idiots by defending the movie, that's a yes as well. Sorry, T, but Saw is Shit. That's a fact. You clearly enjoyed it for it's C.S.I.-like, Se7en-ripoff quality. Which has nothing to do with horror or good moviemaking at all. But for smart people who expect a good horror movie from something people call a "good" movie, it's a bad damn movie. I should probably say "sorry" now. Lots of people like really badly written and made movies. And think they're actually good. It's nothing new. Blair Witch Project is another example. But it hurts the genre and look at how many movies copied it. Or followed in its' footsteps to deliver something else that didn't work. Whether you look at this from the point of view of a horror fan or a movie fan- it's a bad movie. and i dont wanna get into another argument about todays horror so im just gonna stay silent on the rest for now, no matter what u say u wont change my mind or how i feel Presuming of course, that you know how to watch it. Or that you understand horror from decades past as well as I do.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Dec 5, 2008 13:43:56 GMT -5
well like i said, you are the only person i have ever seen to call saw shit, but you can feel how you want, its gonna gonna change my views on this or any other movie
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Post by lazario on Dec 5, 2008 14:09:22 GMT -5
I'm not talking about TASTE, T. I'm talking about quality.
You should know this already, I've explained and repeated myself explaining it 1,000 times.
And, LOOK around. You'll find people who dislike Saw if you look.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Dec 7, 2008 2:11:56 GMT -5
some people yes, but the majority of the people liked it
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Post by lazario on Dec 10, 2008 16:57:04 GMT -5
T - WHO CARES ABOUT THE MAJORITY? You have already said you don't. So why the hell do you bother to use "the majority of people liked it" as a PLUS in this case? Don't you see your own HYPOCRASY?? The majority of people DO and THINK a lot of stupid things at times. Look at history. Am I supposed to think the majority of people were right when they said Blacks and Women shouldn't be allowed to vote? That's 2 examples right there of when the majority were wrong. If you THINK, you came come up with some more all on your own. Why would you EVER say what The Majority of People think is important to consider? ??
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Post by tsmooth31 on Dec 12, 2008 4:17:22 GMT -5
i dont care what the majority thinks, i dont care what you think, i dont care what anyone in the world thinks, i like saw and thats all that matters, no need to keep going on and on
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Post by lazario on Dec 12, 2008 10:06:09 GMT -5
Well YOU'RE the one who keeps it going because you can't handle what I'm saying. Then to worm out of admitting that it's YOU keeping it going, you go: Well, the MAJORITY THINKS...
You should really see yourself in action, T. It's really sad.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Dec 14, 2008 7:31:04 GMT -5
i dont care what you say, what you say or think about a movie has no effect on me, wanna talk about sad you should see urself
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Post by lazario on Dec 15, 2008 4:35:09 GMT -5
I am talking about Sad, that's why I'm talking about You.
You're a phony and a pathetic 1-cent hypocrite. You're desperate to start a fight because you can't discuss things. WHENEVER I do, you ignore everything, reduce all the details to just ONE little statement that you can say is bullshit when it's a lot more complex than that...
You have no deeper understanding of anything. Your brain only sees the surface. You are shallow. You are a jackass. You are a joke. You are in your approaching MID 20's and act like a child. You talk like a moron. You have no concept of grammar. You use inane trendy terms thinking you're actually hurting someone by doing that. You'll sink to any depth in a response- you're like one of those total losers on YouTube who can't think of anything more provocative to say than "that's so gay."
You completely subvert valid discussions with irrelevant, pointless bullshit. You make hateful, ludicrous statements every day you post on this board. You say you care about horror, yet you don't see any film quality in most of the greatest horror films ever made!
And unlike YOU, T - I can see the both of us. You see yourself and call it other people. And for all the bragging you do about yourself, I'm sensing some major self doubt.
There's no question You are the sad one of the two of us. Seek help.
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Post by malbowski13 on Dec 16, 2008 19:17:17 GMT -5
Anyone checking out the UFC ppv on the 27th?
I have cash on Griffin, Mir, and Rampage.
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Post by lazario on Dec 17, 2008 5:31:12 GMT -5
Anyone checking out the UFC ppv on the 27th? PAY?!!No.
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