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Post by malbowski13 on Aug 7, 2008 8:24:56 GMT -5
Given the severity of the crime committed, I believe this to be an acceptable form of punishment in some cases. I heard that they executed a man in Texas this week who was involved in a six-man gang rape of 2 young girls(14 and 16). These bastards then dragged the girls into the nearby woods and killed them. One girl had a belt tightened around her neck and a tree so tight that the belt snapped. To finish them off, these "men" stamped on both of their throats to make sure they were dead. It did take 16 YEARS but finally the victim's families have a bit of justice/closure. Did I mention that this man was also an "illegal alien"? So some of the 16 year-long red tape involved the U.N and Human Rights groups.Who would put any word in for this asshole?!
Do you guys believe in the Death Penalty?
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Post by piggsy on Aug 7, 2008 10:41:58 GMT -5
Definitely. If you kill somebody not in self-defence and it was your fault, you deserve to die. However, you shouldn't wait 20 years for it to happen. They should drag you out of the courtroom and put a bullet in your skull. Simple as that.
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Post by lowkey on Aug 7, 2008 14:36:12 GMT -5
Only in the worst of worst cases (like the one mentioned). Even then I'm conflicted over it. It's not that I give a shit about the murderers, I just don't like the idea of the government deciding who deserves to die, or killing people on my behalf.
Now if the family of victims were permitted revenge, I'd be fine with it. IMO they should have the right to decide the fate of the person(s) responsible for their kin's death, but with that they also should have the obligation of carrying out, and living with their decision, and not expecting others to do it for them. Of course I'd still want the suspect proven guilty in a court first.
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Post by lazario on Aug 7, 2008 17:15:09 GMT -5
Technically, I feel we should lethal-infect almost everyone the police are sure is guilty of committing a serious crime. And I'm talking 100% sure! No crooked cops should be allowed to decide a bunch of ethnic minorities are guilty just because American society is afraid of everyone who doesn't seem to be exactly like them.
Jail is a waste of tax payers' money. And putting someone behind bars almost never teaches them anything. They usually become tougher, angrier, and more violent. Or they get raped, killed, beaten up on a regular basis, or become emotionally / psychologically scarred for life. Lethal-injecting them in this case would be humane.
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Post by piggsy on Aug 7, 2008 17:50:28 GMT -5
Once again, Lazario says it best. Jails are a waste of time, money, and space. Kill those who need to be killed, but don't spend 20 or so years going through appeals and paperwork. The person comitted a serious crime, just kill them already!
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Post by malbowski13 on Aug 7, 2008 18:56:23 GMT -5
It's nice to see there are no weenies on this board. I totally agree with the victim's families having the last word on the subject. It would just be the shits if the family were bible-thumpers and said something like:
"We forgive this confused young man" blah,blah,blah.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Aug 7, 2008 18:58:03 GMT -5
of course i agree with the death penalty, i also like lowkeys idea about letting the family decide
laz when you say jail is waste do you mean for murderers and rapists or for all?? what about guys that just rob a store or something, jail or do you have something else in mind??
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Post by lazario on Aug 7, 2008 19:02:13 GMT -5
Anyone who gets put in a very serious place where they're going to have their lives ruined.
My brother went to a jail-type place for young people who drove on a suspended or revoked driver's license. Small crimes and he didn't get put in a place with murderers and stuff like that. He didn't have any problems with people.
I kind of agree that druggies and murderers can't be rehabilitated - unless they just killed an abusive parent or something, someone in a fit of rage thinking everything was hopeless - someone who would not have even hurt someone unless provoked.
Some people are truly fucked up in the head when they go to prison (for big crimes, usually) and others get fucked up when they go. It's more humane to kill them than make them stay in serious jail for 5 years or longer.
Not to mention that, yes, it does cost the tax payers tons of money to keep them there.
Of course... it also costs money to kill them. But less than it would to feed and clothe and keep them entertained (I know - chores and reading and weight lifting - real Club Med activities) for years, decades.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Aug 7, 2008 19:07:50 GMT -5
well yea its a complete waste to keep murderers alive in jail, even with the death pnealty like it has already been said it takes so many years, its a fucked up system but what system isnt fucked up
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Post by lazario on Aug 7, 2008 19:14:56 GMT -5
There are also weird rapists that stalk their victims even after they've raped them, just to upset them every day after destroying their feeling of security.
There are a lot of weirdo criminals like that. Killers too and attackers who harass victims and their families after the crime. Those are the first that should be killed. They'll never get better.
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Post by piggsy on Aug 7, 2008 20:46:22 GMT -5
There are also better forms of rehabilitation. Take me, for example.
Up until a few months ago, I was a wreck. Self-mutilation, extreme anti-social behavior, and some very bad thoughts I'd rather not share. As a matter of fact, I was sure I'd become a murderer. Instead of being medicated, I chose a different path. I started going to equine therapy, became a vegetarian, and came into contact with a more spiritual (but definitely not religious) side of myself. Now, I'm perfectly fine.
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Post by malbowski13 on Aug 7, 2008 21:20:56 GMT -5
How are you going to get 22 inch pythons like Malbowski if you don't eat meat,Piggsy? Also, what the frig is equine therapy?
Did you guys hear about the decapitation on a greyhound bus that recently happened here in the Great white North? He was walking around afterwards with the head under his arm, kind of like Sleepy Hollow. What stinks is that people saw what he was doing and no one bumrushed this guy. I'm not talking about pretending you are Segal and going up to this nutcase mano e mano either. He ate some of the man too. Supposedly cut off his "wedding tackle" as well. I believe CNN carried this story...
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Post by piggsy on Aug 7, 2008 21:29:39 GMT -5
He was carrying around the head?
Anyway, equine therapy is basically working with horses. It was very helpful, but that may be because I'm a huge animal lover (Yes, Piggsy's a sensitive guy).
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Post by malbowski13 on Aug 7, 2008 21:36:02 GMT -5
I dig animals but... I hate horses. Sorry Piggsy. They are too powerful and unpredictable. But if you dig them, that's your business.
Yes sir. He was doing his best Headless Horseman impression and he also had some of this guy's parts in his pockets.Intestines or whatever. They showed this guy on the news. He is just a little asian dude. Filthy bastard. To give you an example of our great justice system, everyone is saying this prick is gonna do 5-7 in a psych-ward then be released to go about his business. I think the 1st thing he said was "Kill Me" to his lawyer or the cops. They should take him up on that...
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Post by tsmooth31 on Aug 7, 2008 22:50:01 GMT -5
he shoulda went to the bowling alley with it
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Post by piggsy on Aug 7, 2008 23:27:03 GMT -5
Like "Cabin Fever"?
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Post by malbowski13 on Aug 9, 2008 10:51:50 GMT -5
*NEWS FLASH*
Seems a bunch of bible-thumpers from down south are coming to protest the funeral of the decapitated man. They say that it is a sign from God and that Canada is to blame because we have gay marriages and such. Get a handle on your bible-bangers already!
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Post by piggsy on Aug 9, 2008 11:20:11 GMT -5
For the love of God, you can't be serious.
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Post by lazario on Aug 9, 2008 12:26:28 GMT -5
Probably that Westboro Baptist Church of Inbred Phelps-fanatics. Most of the members of the church are extended family members of Fred and Shirley Phelps - and are 95% likely to all be inbred.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Aug 9, 2008 17:14:01 GMT -5
the phelps??? is that the really crazy lady that has been on the news a few times??
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