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Post by lazario on Aug 10, 2008 2:58:19 GMT -5
Don't freak out - but of course there is good and bad. When an actor isn't trained and they're doing very bad work...
I won't go on and on about the elements. The fact is, there is skill involved in making movies. That's why anyone enjoys any of them.
You need to know what makes you like a movie. Just for the sake of understanding a little bit about movies. Which everyone does. There's just certain things they admit and things they deny.
You already agree that there is good and bad.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Aug 10, 2008 4:43:01 GMT -5
sure there is good and bad, but my point is you, i or anyone else cant be wrong for having an opinion on a movie, you can say a movie was great, i can say the same movie was bad, none of us are wrong tho
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Post by lazario on Aug 10, 2008 13:10:43 GMT -5
my point is you, i or anyone else cant be wrong for having an opinion on a movie Of course. An opinion is something that only reflects something personal about the viewer. But there's something you don't understand. Horror is not just made for one kind of person to enjoy. It's made with a craft that makes it accessible to more than one kind of person. Why else do you think when you look at all the different kinds of horror fans in this country and all around the world, they're not all the same? We don't all look the same and act the same. What you're saying is that horror movies are only made for some people to enjoy. Like the filmmaker was making it for themselves. That's not true. Being horror fans means we can all appreciate all the truly great horror films - all we need to do is understand them. There's a lot of truth in what I'm saying. I look at the details. So, why wouldn't I know what I'm talking about? I don't just say certain horror movies are masterpieces. I have insights and examples to back me up. You don't think that counts for anything? I'm talking about more than opinion. I'm talking about art and film, where they meet. You're talking about "flicks." Like movies weren't about art, just action. Maybe you don't mean to come off like that, but that's what you sound like. If you're a real horror fan, you understand the importance of art in all its' forms as it applies to horror. you can say a movie was great, i can say the same movie was bad, none of us are wrong tho Depending on how one looks at it - yes and no. If you're saying the movie is good because you liked it, in a completely twisted way - yes, no one is wrong. But I'm not always talking about what my opinion is. That's where you are wrong. Because you think I'm always just sharing an opinion. I'm not. But also remember - I never said everything I said was a fact. Just some things. Based on a lot of education through experience, and being willing to expand my thinking by learning more about the genre.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Aug 10, 2008 17:50:48 GMT -5
Of course. An opinion is something that only reflects something personal about the viewer. But there's something you don't understand. Horror is not just made for one kind of person to enjoy. It's made with a craft that makes it accessible to more than one kind of person. Why else do you think when you look at all the different kinds of horror fans in this country and all around the world, they're not all the same? We don't all look the same and act the same.
What you're saying is that horror movies are only made for some people to enjoy. Like the filmmaker was making it for themselves. That's not true.
Being horror fans means we can all appreciate all the truly great horror films - all we need to do is understand them.
thats exactly what im saying tho, we arent all gonna find the same movies good or bad which is why if i dont like a movie you like yo cant say i dont like horror, i just didnt like that certain movie, of course the filmaker is trying to make a movie everyone will like, but thats never gonna happen, like me for instance i love low budget movies so when watching any movie im much more forgiving then you, i can watch a bad movie and appriciate it for what it is, you on the other hand break down every aspect of the movie, for me that takes the fun away, i dont care if a movie has flaws or mistakes i can easily overlook them and just enjoy it and be entertained, because thats what i want out of a movie to be entertained
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Post by lazario on Aug 11, 2008 2:59:52 GMT -5
thats exactly what im saying tho, we arent all gonna find the same movies good or bad which is why if i dont like a movie you like yo cant say i dont like horror, i just didnt like that certain movie You don't always say you didn't like it. You actually do make statements like "the movie is bad" or "it's boring." You think it was boring because you have a preference. But I don't. That's the kicker. That's why there's a difference between you and me. I like good horror in all its' forms, you look down on some movies because you think they're boring. Not just because you didn't like them. But because you say they're boring. I don't understand that. How could The Evil Dead or The Texas Chainsaw Massacre possibly bore you? I mean, if you have proper education in watching mid and late 1970's horror movies, these movies should work for you on at least one level. The Evil Dead delivers not just awesome gore, but amazing camerawork that couldn't possibly bore a smart horror fan, incredible atmosphere, spine-chilling music (at times, the rest of it sounds a little old-fashioned and library-track like- but it evens out very nicely overall)... Sure there's not much story. Maybe I was unfair saying you only wanted action. But if you're a Friday the 13th series fan, you should be used to horror movies with little dialogue. The story works hand-in-hand with everything visual. It's literally one of the greatest horror films ever made, there's always something happening! It's an incredibly thorough movie. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre is an even bigger shock. Anyone who really watches the movie sees its' pure brilliance! Yet you're saying you didn't see it... That's insane to hear. It's unfathomable. The Evil Dead is more playfully malicious, some people like it with a darker tone, although technically ED will get more jumps from viewers. But Texas Chainsaw is pure brooding. A Lucio Fulci fan should really appreciate that. The dark, thick sense of dread is beyond palpable. Most viewers never forget it. And again, for a slasher film, Texas Chainsaw Massacre follows every footstep the victims take! Showing the horror of what they see and their encounters with Leatherface in every little detail. Because watching them die gorily isn't scary. It's what happens to them before they die that's disturbing. And the way the music and camerawork set that up is genius! These movies have done so much for horror not only because they are hugely influencial, but because no other horror film did what these two films did. You can't get these experiences anywhere else. And they're incredibly effective. I've also noticed that you use hype as an excuse. You don't get that you have to follow a film wherever it goes. You can't just sit there and expect something. You have to wait and see what the film will give you. You can't judge it because of what it's not. You have to judge it by what it is. Not what you heard of it before watching it, but by what you hear and see as you do watch it. of course the filmaker is trying to make a movie everyone will like, but thats never gonna happen Well, here we go with this "like" thing again. T, if I only judged movies by what I "like" - I would be miserable. Because what do you like to see in a movie? Really? How do you know what you like when you see it? How do you know you're not just liking something because of the mood you're in? Because, moods change. How do you know you won't hate a movie a year from now that you liked this week? "Like" doesn't always last and is dependant on so many things. But understanding and appreciating... That allows me to get something back from a good movie every single time I watch it. I "like" appreciating great movies. But I don't have to like everything about them to get something back from them. Evil Dead and Texas Chainsaw are low budget movies too. ;D i can watch a bad movie and appriciate it for what it is, you on the other hand break down every aspect of the movie That's actually not true. I only break down some of the movie. Isn't that wild? You're not getting everything from me when I do what you're saying. I'm only going over some of it. There's always a ton of stuff I'm leaving out! But also, like I said- this is a message board. On message boards, people tend to talk at length about movies and what they think and what they observed. You always attack me for doing that but there's nothing wrong with it. This is a message board and the place for that kind of thing. i dont care if a movie has flaws or mistakes i can easily overlook them and just enjoy it and be entertained, because thats what i want out of a movie to be entertained You mean: you do for that shit like Saw, The Devil's Rejects, and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake, but you won't do it for masterpieces like The Evil Dead and the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre. That's where you hurt the horror genre. Because you know you're now agreeing with a bunch of stupid teenagers who only want to see horror that is getting released in theaters. What do you think they would say if they saw The Blob Remake? Or Neon Maniacs?
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Post by tsmooth31 on Aug 11, 2008 5:26:54 GMT -5
ok well there is no point in arguing this anymore, you act is if you are smarter then anyone here, which you are not, you act is if you know more horror which you dont, and you are wrong, reason being you are saying TCM is a masterpiece and i am wrong for not thinking that, but the fact is one cant be wrong or right for liking or disliking a movie, so just end it
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Post by lazario on Aug 11, 2008 7:08:16 GMT -5
ok well there is no point in arguing this anymore, so just end it I was discussing things. You were the one arguing. And you always do this to worm your way out of reading my posts or talking things over. You'd rather toss around names and pathetic accusations like we're in high school - GROW UP! you act is if you are smarter then anyone here, you act is if you know more horror which you dont No, that's what you assume. Though I clearly know more about horror than you do. You always have to make it this way. Well, that's fine with me. And you want to talk about "act"ing - it's starting to become glaringly apparent that you're threatened by something I'm saying. But I don't care about your immature bullshit. I'm here to discuss things intelligently, not play games with stupid children like you. YOU WISH!!
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Post by tsmooth31 on Aug 11, 2008 15:52:25 GMT -5
ok i will let you think you know more, thats what the kida who had/have a bad childhood like to always think, they are better and know more then everyone because they never had anything in there lives
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Post by lazario on Aug 12, 2008 6:12:55 GMT -5
ok i will let you think you know more You don't get it - EVERYONE on this board knows more about horror than you do. Even Biscuit knew more about horror than you. And again, you're intent to prove I'm right about everything I say about you. You're too stupid to talk about movies, so you sling insults about people. Get OVER yourself.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Aug 13, 2008 2:50:55 GMT -5
and you dont get it everyone on this board knows more about horror then you, see i can play little kid games too
im smart enough tho to realize there are diff types of horror fans that are into diff types of movies
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Post by lazario on Aug 13, 2008 9:03:06 GMT -5
and you dont get it everyone on this board knows more about horror then you, see i can play little kid games too No, T, you've been playing little kid games from the start. You bring down everyone's maturity and intelligence. Incorrect. There is nothing smart about you. You are a complete idiot. And everyone who has even met you should be ashamed. You're a human piece of trash. Time to take out the garbage.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Aug 13, 2008 18:58:26 GMT -5
o no, im being insulted over the internet by a pathetic fag, thats like a dagger to the heart
when im hanging with my girl later and feeling the love ill make sure to think of you sitting all lonely in your room beating it to your gay wrestling magazines, because it was gay wrestling that you love right??? or maybe just regular wrestling, considering that is gay too
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Post by lazario on Aug 14, 2008 2:59:24 GMT -5
T, you don't know anything about horror.
That bothers you enough to make me happy. ;D
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Post by tsmooth31 on Aug 14, 2008 6:42:33 GMT -5
how would what you think bother me??
everyone on this board is a horror fan, you already tried to make a topic about this and failed, instead of following your path of failure why not just get over the fact that we like different types of movies for the most part, but if you would really like to continue your childish whos better game i can go on all day, because i am everything you wish you could be and i have everything you wish you could have
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Post by lazario on Aug 14, 2008 12:17:47 GMT -5
you would really like to continue your childish whos better game Actually - that's YOU, you fucking idiot. Every time I talk about things, you start insulting me. You literally can't discuss things because YOU'RE the child. Look for yourself. You throw a fit every time things get too intelligent. When I treat you like maybe you have a brain in your head, you stop reading and start insulting. Grow up, you retard.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Aug 14, 2008 17:25:33 GMT -5
yes im childish yet you make an entire topic to try and troll me and all it does is blow up in your face, not to mention always claiming you have more knowledge because you like certain movies that i dont, lets not talk about childish, because i could almost mistake you for a teenage girl rather the na grown "man"
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Post by lazario on Aug 15, 2008 14:59:51 GMT -5
you make an entire topic to try and troll me and all it does is blow up in your face I gave you a chance to redeem yourself and explain yourself and you're obsessed with this competition you created. Not the other way around. It blew up in your face because you can't handle intelligent discussion. You proved me right. not to mention always claiming you have more knowledge because you like certain movies that i dont Not "like" - Understand. You're a retard if you haven't gotten that through your thick head by now. lets not talk about childish, because i could almost mistake you for a teenage girl You're the one who talks like a teenager, tries to use trendy expressions to make yourself look younger, and has the intelligence level of a piece of lint. That's why you're the immature, childish one.
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