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Post by lazario on Sept 11, 2007 20:55:04 GMT -5
They weren't living together when she was killed. They were separated. She was dating someone else. He knew about it. She knew he knew. He was probably dating someone else as well. They had an Amicable joint-custody agreement. Everything was going okay. He had no reason to kill her. Maybe he could have. But why would he do it? She'd been seeing the guy she was killed with for almost a year or more before they were killed. Neither of them were cheating. i thought it was known worldwide that he killed her..i never met or talked to another person who had any doubt... Um, then perhaps it is you who is living under a rock. At least Half of the Black Community in the United States believes O.J. Simpson was not guilty. Because they know that it made no sense for him to have done it. The only way he could have done it was if he was: A) insane (and he hasn't exactly acted like an insane person following the trial), or B) has serious psychotic / sociopathic tendancies. And he happens to have a great deal of friends. They would know. Friends of psychotic or sociopathic people can tell if their friend has murderous tendancies. And ANYONE can tell if a person is insane. I'm still not saying that I know for sure he didn't do it. But, there's just as much evidence supporting the contrary of what you're saying. i remember following the case as it happened.. Which means... You weren't there. You don't know what happened. You only know what the Media will tell you. The Media's job is to make anyone accused of a crime sound as guilty as possible. That is a fact. Because that's what has been making headlines for nearly 20 straight years now. You can't believe second hand, hand-me-down facts, from people whose job it is to make everyone sound extreme. Well, you could. And few other people, before learning the hard way that you need to experience things to learn them. you always talk about facts and opinions..well this my friend is 100% fact that he killed his wife Why would you say that? You sound more confused than sure about this. Well, we'll wait for Evil Dave to straighten this out.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Sept 11, 2007 21:26:18 GMT -5
of course some black people will say he didnt do it..they always stick 2gether...the only people that think he didnt do it are some idiot blind black people and bills fans who think there precious runningback could not be a killer..like i said i dont have to be there..you werent there for anythign that happened in history so does that mean it didnt happen??? you were not in the world war...you learned about it in school so did it not happen???...there is no arguing it because he did it..i forgot that they werent 2gehter at the time like i said i didnt get into to much..i know there was alot of evidence that pointed to him...its crystal clear he did it end of discussion
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Post by lazario on Sept 11, 2007 21:52:59 GMT -5
there is no arguing it because he did it.. We're not arguing - you're making a fool out of yourself. But it's your fault. Because you seem to think it's important to indict him here. What do you gain from this? Does this help you sleep better at night? You're making a fool out of yourself because "he did it" doesn't mean anything. You don't know that - you weren't there. And this is a court case. Do I have to explain the difference between The O.J. Simpson Trial and those historical events you mentioned? They weren't trials. There were no juries during the events of the Holocaust determining whether or not they happened. Same goes for the World Wars or Disasters. That's actually just 1 fact. Another is - O.J. claimed he was not guilty. Both sides fighting the wars you mentioned admitted the part they played. The Germans admit their nation was involved in the Holocaust. People who were there and saw it happen have reported it. No one who saw O.J.'s ex-wife and her boyfriend being murdered have reported anything. If it was a fact that O.J. did it, and everyone knew it - he would be in jail right now. So obviously, not everyone knows it. And watch what you say about black people. They're not as stupid as The Racists think. Do you want to be a racist? Then don't say things about Black People as a race. Don't group them together and slanderize their race. Be cool about that. ...its crystal clear he did it end of discussion Bull shit it's Crystal Clear. If it were, Everyone Would Know It. Including me. Stop saying that, you sound like we're on the Playground.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Sept 11, 2007 21:59:58 GMT -5
your the one that sounds like a fool..your trying to say a murderer didnt kill his wife..your one of the only people to actually defend that piece of sh*t...im usually not one to go against a person for havign an opinion..but in this case its a fact..he killed his wife and got off because of his celebrity status...it really couldnt be any more clear..
and i wasnt grouping all black people...i have had and do have black friends..got nothing against them..i was just saying there are groups of black people who still go on about racism and all that sh*t..and those are the ones that say he didnt do it..any ordinary person with even half a brain knows he killed his wife..everything points right at him..so why would you try to defend a murderer??
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Post by lazario on Sept 11, 2007 22:19:16 GMT -5
your the one that sounds like a fool..your trying to say a murderer didnt kill his wife..your one of the only people to actually defend that piece of sh*t... so why would you try to defend a murderer?? I have already told you that I'm not saying he didn't do it. Therefore, I'm not defending him. I'm saying - You Don't Know He Did. I'm accusing you - of telling me you know something that you don't. And I'm telling you that you can't know unless you were there. Especially since you just told me you got your information from the TV. Please... If you need me to explain the manipulation of facts by the media... well, Me and Evil Dave don't dislike Fox News! for nothing, you know. We also know full-well that all news media manipulate facts to get people to tune in. So all the information you got was someone's control of the facts. So how can you tell me you know he did it?? It sounds to me that you're frustrated that you don't know since you feel so strongly. Those are feelings perhaps you should explore. In private. I don't care about your problems, it's when you make statements that you can't prove that bothers me. im usually not one to go against a person for havign an opinion..but in this case its a fact.. It's Not a Fact. It's your opinion. And it's also your fault if you compare this as a "fact" to things that are definitely facts. The O.J. verdict is a matter of opinion. Because nobody knows whether he did it or not except for the people who were murdered. That is what couldn't be any more clear. I think you're mad that I don't buy your reasoning. Sorry. Get over it. A fact must be proven by more than you've said here. Besides - who elected you the Embassador of Truth in this case? What makes you an expert? You weren't there, so you don't know. All you can do is think it happened. ..any ordinary person with even half a brain knows he killed his wife.. Obviously that is not true. Because if it were, He Would Be In Jail. And that statement is you saying that those black people you say are still talking about racism don't have even half a brain. That is getting close to be a racist comment. Think your words more carefully next time. everything points right at him.. Again: Bull shit. Without a Motive (A Reason For Commiting the Crime), there is no "everything" in "everything points right at him." To understand what it is you're saying, you have to know the reason. But you don't. So therefore, it's not a fact that You Know. So stop saying that it is.
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Post by Evil Dave on Sept 12, 2007 0:40:34 GMT -5
His motive was "control." And you're wrong about them getting along just grand. They're were multiple witnesses that claim that OJ was anything but ok with Nicole being involved with Goldman or any of the other men in her life. He physically abused her several times when they were still married because he "suspected" she was cheating on him. There's 911 tapes to prove that. He constantly called her and followed her around town after SHE left him. In other words he never wanted to let her go. It's an ego thing. The guy was beloved by everyone else in the world EXCEPT the woman he wanted. In his mind, it didn't make any sense why she'd want to be with anybody but him, because he thought so highly of himself. All these types of characteristics fit perfectly with what adds up to being a control freak and an ego maniac. It simply got to the point where if he couldn't have her, nobody could.
Besides, if he didn't do it then how do you explain the bloody gloves, the bloody footprints that match his shoes, BOTH victims' blood in HIS vehicle, the packed suitcases in his home, the airplane tickets, the suicide note, and the escape attempt from the police? And don't come back with that lame LAPD conspiracy theory b.s. Fuhrman was a racist jackass, but to believe in a conspiracy of that ridiculously grand magnitude is absolutely ludicas. If this case proved anything, it was only that MONEY really can buy you freedom. Come on Laz, you're too smart a guy to really believe there's any reasonable doubt that the prick was innocent.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Sept 12, 2007 2:29:33 GMT -5
thanks dave for helping me prove my point..now that you say all that its coming back to me..i followed the case a little as it was going on but as you can see it didnt really stick with me..the only thing that stuck was i knew he was guilty...as you can see laz 100% gulity..the scumbag should be locked up right now and im surprised nobody has killed his worthless black ass yet..
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Post by Evil Dave on Sept 12, 2007 3:29:00 GMT -5
^^^ no prob. A lot of this case has stuck with me over the years as it was the first time I remember really being smacked in the face with how inept the justice system actually is.
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Post by lazario on Sept 12, 2007 8:56:53 GMT -5
I don't explain- I question. I'm not saying he did it. I'm not saying he didn't. I'm smart enough to know it's not up to me. And I'm not so arrogant that I think it's important what I think about this. But if you're asking me what I do think, I think it's important to really question Why he would have done it. You've made a good cause...against a normal person. But you're not applying logic that works with celebrities. Celebrities and Hollywood are worlds in which things work differently. You can't just put "Lifetime Television Movie" logic in a situation where the Evil Man is known the whole world over. That makes a difference, you have to change the way people think about crime when the person committing it would have clearly known their crime would be talked about everywhere. That means he's always going to be regarded as a criminal. Unless he was an Insane Celebrity, why would he jeopardize his career like that and then expect to "get away with it"? It makes no sense that he planned to get away with anything if he was also the same kind of person who would commit cold-blooded murder. You're saying he stopped caring about his career. You're saying he was okay with being a Social Outlaw, just as long as he could satisfy his lust for killing someone. If you're right about his Ego, then you're wrong about the Suicide Note. And Lifetime TV is my proof of that - in psychology, the person with an Ego is called a "Narcisistic Personality." And research has proved that that kind of person is incapable of committing suicide by themself. Their subconscious won't allow it. I qualify as a "Narcisistic Personality" - because I couldn't kill myself even though consciously I tried plenty of times, I never tried hard enough. That's because subconsciously, I never wanted to die. In a crude way, I like myself too much. And because what I actually was suffering from wasn't depression. I had that thing were you cut yourself to feel less stressed out about things. You can see that in the Sandra Bullock movie 28 Days. I went through that for a long time, from '98 until 2006. It has something to do with having a high amount of unexpressed aggression and physically never being able to argue with people, repressing speech. You do physically what you could never speak, to a person who won't talk or act back against what you're doing (yourself). So I know whereof I speak when I say that the person who came up with that "suicide note" thing is full of cheez. Meaning- he didn't actually contemplate suicide. Unless you're saying he planted the note, expecting that when he "disappeared" with his luggage, that people would believe he drove his car (and his luggage) over a cliff! somewhere. It sounds like the Ego thing you're preaching was make-up as you go-along logic someone came up with that you accepted because it looked good without looking deep and hard at it, because it was convenient. I know the way people make-up logic as they go along. This is a big part of my life as a homosexual. All the time you have to wonder why the hell they're making it their business. Not everything you feel extremely about needs to be avenged. Why do I have to just accept people thinking Everything is their business? I don't. This is very much akin to situations I find myself in where people feel duty-bound to prove homosexuality is wrong. Why makes it their duty when my rights don't affect them? I have to always question logic that doesn't make perfect sense. People will come up with any excuse as long as it supports what they feel. But can you answer for yourself- why? Why you feel the way you do. Anyway - I got involved with this more than anything else, because TSmooth kept saying "everybody knows." Not true. Maybe everyone cares. And they come up with their own reasons to justify however they feel. But a feeling is not a fact, unless you've seen it with your own eyes. None of us saw this with our own eyes. So, we don't "know" anything about it. However, we could question logic forever.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Sept 12, 2007 18:04:52 GMT -5
^^ well 99% of the world knows for a fact hes a murderer...but anyway on to new things
Kanye West- i wish that black piece of sh*t crybaby would just drop dead this instant
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Post by lazario on Sept 15, 2007 3:45:26 GMT -5
^^ well 99% of the world knows for a fact hes a murderer...but anyway on to new things Bullshit. Kanye West- i wish that black piece of sh*t crybaby would just drop dead this instant That's how a racist would describe him. Are you a racist? Then don't call him black. We all know what color his skin is.
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Post by Evil Dave on Sept 15, 2007 4:26:45 GMT -5
I have to say that I like Kanye West quite a bit. Not really into his music or whatever, but I share a lot of his views on social inequalities and politics.
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Post by lazario on Sept 15, 2007 8:37:51 GMT -5
He's definitely a smart guy. Never thought he was that slick of a musician, though.
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Post by Evil Dave on Sept 16, 2007 3:11:00 GMT -5
^^^ agreed
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Post by tsmooth31 on Sept 16, 2007 17:35:53 GMT -5
nah west thinks he knows everything and is to cocky..hes an idiot tho..everytime i see him i wanna make him bleed...and yes laz you can call me a racist..but it has nothing to do with him being black..i hate black people who talk about racism..you know the type that are like blacks arent treated fair and all the dumb sterotypes..like last year when tony dungy won the superbowl..they made a huge deal because he was black..it just gets annoying at hearing how blacks arent treated fair..most people in the world arent treated fair...get the f*ck over it
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Post by tsmooth31 on Sept 17, 2007 5:26:23 GMT -5
haha OJ is going to jail...to bad its not for murder tho
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Post by Evil Dave on Sept 18, 2007 0:43:32 GMT -5
Yeah, I saw that too. In light of our recent discussions about him here, I enjoyed a hearty laugh!
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Post by tsmooth31 on Sept 18, 2007 0:49:25 GMT -5
yea thats why i thought it was funny because we were talking about him and a few days later hes headed to jail..deff should be very high on the destroy list
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Post by Evil Dave on Sept 18, 2007 0:59:14 GMT -5
Deff in my top 3. No question.
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Post by lazario on Sept 18, 2007 12:04:13 GMT -5
Why are you guys so itching to accept something that hasn't been proven? How does that benefit you? Does it get you off or something to go after a celebrity just because they're rich or a black man because he's big - is this about a feeling of inferiority inside you both somewhere?
And stick to the questions, don't swerve around them to try and make a statement about me. Answer them directly.
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