John Carpenter Report Card

[tsmooth31]

see that i have actual proof that 75% do like it..


BULLSHIT you do. Maybe in your head.


HAHA i love how he cant even face the facts

and im glad to hear your day has been made dave

[lazario]

It's YOU who can't face facts. You think most people "like" Pro-Life, but you never looked anywhere online.

[tsmooth31]

75% of this board likes it..

[Evil Dave]

Well, I finally took some time last night and checked it out for myself. And.............................I liked it too! So I guess now it's more than 75% here that like it.

[tsmooth31]

good to hear man...that makes 80% now..if i did my math right..looks like your fav critics got some bad taste laz..im coming for there job

[Evil Dave]

^^^ Lol, yeah you did the math right, T. And once again, who cares what some amateur internet critics say, the proof is right here. Most people like it.

[tsmooth31]

^^truth...the verdict is in..pro-life is GOOD

[lazario]

thehillshavedave said:

^^^ Lol, yeah you did the math right, T. And once again, who cares what some amateur internet critics say, the proof is right here. Most people like it.

Dave- you blasted professional critics. Now you're blasting amateurs??? Make up your mind.

admin said:

good to hear man...that makes 80% now..if i did my math right..looks like your fav critics got some bad taste laz..im coming for there job

Never said they were my fav's. That's a pathetic, poorly thought out insult and it doesn't even work. Just because I know some of them and have researched more of them, doesn't mean I ever said they were "my fav"s. You do understand that, don't you? For someone to mean something, they actually have to "say" it. Remember that.


And as for most of this board... This board does not represent most horror fans. We only have maybe 6 regular members here and very little of what anyone says is elaborated on, but plenty is replied to with Dave's patented "I agree".


Now, I never said the Majority will always be right. Clearly, the majority often shifts in time. There are tons of things majorities change their opinions about. Maybe Pro-Life will grow in favoritism over time. But still, at least 75% of everyone who's seen it and commented on it, in one form or another online, has said it sucks.

AND THAT'S WHAT I SAID. I never said this board. You keep pretending that either I did or that that's what I meant. But I did say 100 times, ONLINE. And how many times in the past did I hear "Majority rules" from you guys? Countless times I heard- "most people like" this, "most people like" that. Well, guess what. That's how you wanted it. THAT'S HOW IT'S GOING TO BE. I might one day see Pro-Life and agree with you. But you guys chose to go with Majority Rules and the majority has indicated Pro-Life sucks.

All I'm reporting is what the Majority online has said. Quit discounting anyone who disagrees with you. You can't say "Majority rules" when you like what they say, then discount them when you don't like it anymore. PICK one and stick with it.

[tsmooth31]

^^ actually the majority like it..4 people here liked it..what makes us 4 diff from 4 critics who didnt like it??? absolutly nothing..any place i look most people seem to at least think it was decent..

just admit your wrong..the facts are right infront of your face..the majority of the people like pro-life..but it should only matter what you think anyway..

its ridiculous..i told you most people on imdb liked it..and im not talking about the the actual number ratings..im talking about the people that took time to write up a review..but you say they dont count because they dont know horror like your beloved critics..as you see every1 on this board liked it..but you ignore that too and still come with your bullshit..i believe the horror sites you look at may not have liked it..but thats not the majority..its pretty pathetic how far your gonna go with this without even seeing it..your wrong so just face the facts

[lazario]

admin said:

^^ actually the majority like it..4 people here liked it..what makes us 4 diff from 4 critics who didnt like it??? absolutly nothing..any place i look most people seem to at least think it was decent..just admit your wrong..the facts are right infront of your face..the majority of the people like pro-life..

I'm not wrong. Before I watched any of the Masters of Horror episodes, of either season, I read up on all the episodes and their reviews. And again, the vast majority of all horror sites that reviewed or rated any of the Masters of Horror episodes and watched all of the second season have said Pro-Life sucked. From 2 star ratings and 3's out of 10's, to direct Bombs, 0 out of 10, and Zero Star ratings... Pro-Life is the lowest rated episode of the entire 2nd season.

That's what's different than 4 people here.

admin said:

its ridiculous..i told you most people on imdb liked it..and im not talking about the the actual number ratings..im talking about the people that took time to write up a review..

And I told about the kind of people who go to IMDb. They A: do not represent, by and large, most intelligent horror fans. Most horror fans know that place is the PLASTIC of internet sites. The BRITNEY SPEARS of horror boards and review sites. Nobody takes anyone there seriously, because most people there are idiots. Just because they're a big name, thanks to celebrities who mention them in interviews and to news outlets. But that doesn't change the fact that it's such a huge site, no one has to think to write a review. No one has to see the movie to even rate it. Which means, reviews are 2-second one-offs. No one tries. That's why the horror specialty sites are still superior. And there are a lot of them.

You seem to think you're getting away with this craziness of yours because you think they don't exist. Look around...

admin said:

like your beloved critics..

I never said they were. Stop putting words in my mouth. It's immature and inevitably, pointless.

admin said:

you ignore that too and still come with your bullshit..

You're not paying attention. But I've said it one billion times: I never said "this board," I said, "horror sites online." That's what I'm saying. Do you get it yet?

admin said:

..its pretty pathetic how far your gonna go with this

It's only because you're not paying attention to what I'm saying. When you do, maybe you'll finally understand what's going on.

admin said:

..your wrong so just face the facts

I'm not wrong - YOU are the one not facing the facts. I have re-stated the facts 1,000,000,000,000,000 times. You shouldn't be this confused.

[Evil Dave]

lazario said:

thehillshavedave said:

Dave- you blasted professional critics. Now you're blasting amateurs??? Make up your mind.

I dislike any critic of any kind. Whether it's some overpaid "professional" hack, or some sorry-ass self-professed "expert" amateur (points finger right at YOU, Laz).

lazario said:

And as for most of this board... This board does not represent most horror fans.

The members here DO represent most horror fans. And they do it very well.

[lazario]

thehillshavedave said:

The members here DO represent most horror fans. And they do it very well.

Keep telling yourself that. You can be the Moderator in your own little version of the truth.

thehillshavedave said:

I dislike any critic of any kind. Whether it's some overpaid "professional" hack, or some sorry-ass self-professed "expert" amateur (points finger right at YOU, Laz).

I wonder why...

thehillshavedave said:

I hope EVERYBODY who is a member here takes a long, hard look at this comment from Laz. If you feel that he's DEAD WRONG, I suggest you all grow a pair and tell him so.

Aw, poor baby. Wishing everyone else will do his dirty work. What's more pathetic than that?

[tsmooth31]

see again your acting as you know everything...dont act like you know the poeple that go to imdb..actual masters of horror fans go there after they watch it to review it..

again tho it goes against what you said so "they rent horror fans"

everything else i needed to say is in the other topic dave made in the general board

[lazario]

I am not alone in "thinking" or "acting" as though I know the people on the IMDb. So, based on the fact that a great deal of intelligent people see the IMDb patrons as, for the most part, a bunch of fools... I decided to research for myself.

Now, I know idiots. I know all kinds. I know a lot of different kinds of idiots. I know the nature of idiocy very well. I could become certified in Idiot Detection. So... yeah, my research proved conclusively: The IMDb is not for serious movie fans. Okay?

And I just happen to agree with the people who say IMDb is a loserland of meaningless opinions. You have to look at the INDIVIDUAL points they make and things they say if you want to know anything.

They may know what they like. But they don't know crap about what's actually good or bad. See- filmmaking is about technique and talent. But anyone can film and write anything they find or think up. Okay? If you record 10 minutes of frogs hopping in the grass... how is that great filmmaking? Just because some people would like watching it? That's what you're saying. That anything anyone enjoys watching is good. But guess what - that doesn't say anything about How It Is Made.

I'm talking about How It Is Made. You understand?

That's what I've been talking about this whole time. Everything we and Dave-and-I have butt heads on. I can point at a stain on a wall and say I enjoy watching it. So... that means it's good? That's what you're saying. How could you possibly agree with that? That's like- the end of all ATTEMPTING to make anything good, at all. That's why we have so many freaking movies that COPY each other. Because something is successful - that must mean that people like it. Right? So, let's make the same thing over and over again until people don't like it anymore. Now that we have a dead trend and 1,000 useless copies of something people once liked... Does that mean the copies are good or bad?

You TRY and look at what people liked about them? I actually look at what went into the making of them. It's the only way you can ever KNOW.

I'm saying I know, you can say "you like." But, don't tell me I'm wrong because you don't like what I'm saying... Okay?

[Evil Dave]

^^^ I would never tell anyone they're wrong for saying something I don't like. I will tell them that they're wrong when they insinuate that they are superior in knowledge to everyone else here on the board. You have no right to do that.

[lazario]

thehillshavedave said:

I would never tell anyone they're wrong for saying something I don't like. I will tell them that they're wrong when they insinuate that they are superior in knowledge to everyone else here on the board. You have no right to do that.

Oh, really? I wouldn't take you seriously right now, especially not since you're still WRONG about what's going on here.

I'll say it again, and pay attention this time: *CONTENT DELETED FOR ABUSE*, but I have not actually said I am. That's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying there is a right and a wrong way to look at things. Maybe you guys don't want to because it destroys your fun...somehow. But don't tell me you know what I'm doing. Okay? Because you obviously don't - you keep saying all the wrong things about me. So you clearly don't get what I'm saying yet.

If it baffles you so much, ignore it. But try thinking about it before replying to it. All you do is huff and puff... that's not thinking about anything. That's automatically reacting. Which forces me to automatically react and that gets our gears jammed.

*CONTENT DELETED FOR ABUSE*- can you prove that I'm not? I know you can't. So, why is it a problem for you?? If you can't, then it's not an issue. Plain and simple. You only THINK there's a superiority thing going on here. I never said I was better, just that I have a better system of seeing movies. And it is better, since we all talk about what's good and bad. You guys talk like you know, I actually do know. Because I pick it all up on the first viewing.

Now, if you don't like that- who cares? Get over it. You can keep doing what you've always done- no one is stopping you. Just make sure you always say "like" and "think."

Try something amazing... Read this, and don't reply until you've really thought about it.


*The 2 sections of this post were removed by me because I've warned you about directly saying you're better/smarter/superior to the members of this board. It's not necessary.*

[tsmooth31]

you prove your not superior in knowledge everytime you post

you dont have a better system of seeing movies..stop talking outta ur ass all the time..and how can you even act like you dont think you know more about horror..you have the mind of a critic..which means you dont know nearly as much as you think you do

[lazario]

admin said:

you prove your not superior in knowledge everytime you post

How? Can you prove that? I would love to hear this...

admin said:

you dont have a better system of seeing movies..

Yes I do - I have already told you : I SEPARATE WHAT I LIKE FROM WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOOD AND BAD.

admin said:

stop talking outta ur ass all the time..

That's you, not me.

admin said:

..you have the mind of a critic..which means you dont know nearly as much as you think you do

Oh, Grow Up someday will you? Do the world a favor.

Critics are not evil. They just say things people don't want to hear. You should be bigger about it and just say- I don't like hearing what you have to say. Because, that's about all that you know.

[tsmooth31]

i seperate what i like from what i dont

i think that way is better..here you go again talking like your better then every1..just stop..no1 wants to hear it..you can tell us what you do and why you do it..but dont say its better..you do what you want..i do what i want..thats all there is to it..no way is better..if i like a movie its good, if i dont its bad...thats my opinion..just like you have yours

[lazario]

admin said:

i seperate what i like from what i dont

So do I. But I'm not stupid enough to think that counts for anything.

When people are talking about Movies, however, and about what goes into the Making of those movies... I don't just judge them by what I like and dislike. You have to be impartial about things like that, if you can. I know I can be.

admin said:

i think that way is better..

There's a time and a place for it. And yes, people can change the time and place when they choose to. But, I clearly indicate what is my personal feeling from what is my professional insight. If you don't- that's fine. But, don't pretend that everyone does the same thing. We clearly don't. We're clearly different. Because we want to be, I guess.

admin said:

here you go again talking like your better then every1..

That's not true. You just think that. But I've already said, you don't know me very well. So, you're wrong and you're wrong because you keep guessing when you should be thinking about facts.

admin said:

just stop..no1 wants to hear it..

Do you ask everyone whether or not they want to hear what you have to say before you say it?

admin said:

you do what you want..i do what i want..thats all there is to it..you can tell us what you do and why you do it..but dont say its better..no way is better..

How do you know it's not better? There is a difference between what a person likes and what is good or bad. There is, or I would not say there is. It's one of those things I researched and my research has been proven on this very simple thing:

There is like or dislike. It is often separate from good or bad.

admin said:

if i like a movie its good, if i dont its bad...thats my opinion..just like you have yours

In your opinion, that might be true. But in actuality... it's not.

This is so simple: If I like something, I like it. If I enjoy something, I enjoy it. But that doesn't make it good - nor does me not liking or not enjoying something make it bad. Not if it's something complex, that requires technique like movies. Do you know why? Because there are a lot of things WE don't know, we haven't experienced. Therefore, some filmmakers don't know what they're doing and some do. That's why there is a level to which there is actual Good and Bad with movies. And why Good and Bad is determined by something other than what the individual likes and dislikes.

And the reason I keep saying this is - because movies get made based on TRENDS. Movies are a business. But the business side of it often ruins the movies. If things worked your way, there would be no good movies. Because all filmmakers would do is copy everything some other movie already did. That is Bad. Because it insults the viewer's creativity, personality, and intelligence.


Only things like food, or hobbies, or people's physical characteristics - things that operate on a level of Personal Tastes, does it matter what one person likes or doesn't like.

Movies work on a very different level. I'm not saying they have to be good for people to like them. Because you can't predict what people are going to like. That's why even deciding movies are good because people liked them or not - is damn stupid.

Do YOU think you know what people are going to like about a movie???