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Post by tsmooth31 on Apr 22, 2008 5:40:18 GMT -5
and that is what a movie sets out to do.. entertain you
movies can be good or bad for many diff reasons
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Post by lazario on Apr 22, 2008 5:47:13 GMT -5
and that is what a movie sets out to do.. entertain you EXCELLENT POINT. But, a lot of movies try to be good movies. A lot of movies try to be different. A lot of movies study and take risks just because they want their own identity. And then there is the notion of "how" do you make a movie entertaining. Do you have a clue about how to do that? How do you know what works and what doesn't? You have to know or else, movies are always going to suck. You need to know what works and what doesn't. There is an idea people have of how to "make" movies entertaining. By copying every other movie. Like the studios who make shit movies like Good Luck Chuck, Epic Movie, Along Came Polly (etc. by infinity), and of course all the horror remakes. And look what they're doing - they're ruining movies. And then of course... look at how people ruin the reputation of movies. You were right to bring up MST3K in the first place because they went after Squirm thinking nobody had seen it before. They tried to hurt the movie because they are assholes who only look to make fun of movies. They weren't "right" about Squirm. They were dead-wrong. And they've poisoned your mind and Dave's mind just like the studios are poisoning the minds of people today into believing originals suck and remakes are better. You don't see all the harm that is done from passing off "it entertained me" opinions as important. I do. That's why my opinion is more than about what entertains me.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Apr 22, 2008 5:53:36 GMT -5
MST3K is just good fun and doesnt poison my mind in any way
i bought the squirm DVD because the media play around here was going out of busines and everything was very very cheap...i was hoping for some good cheesy fun or a creepy movie but i got neither..i got a piece of shit filled with annpying characters..this was atleast a year before i ever saw an episode of MST3K..what they do is great.. turn garbage into gold
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Post by lazario on Apr 22, 2008 7:41:17 GMT -5
The movie is not a piece of shit. It's actually very good. Besides, someone like you if you've seen a lot of horror movies should know how this is different than most horror movies about killer animals / bugs.
You totally didn't get it. But don't pawn that off on the movie.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Apr 22, 2008 17:28:05 GMT -5
i really actually thought i would like it..as you know im much more into low budget horror and cheesy horror.. it just really didnt work for me at all though
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Post by lazario on Apr 24, 2008 11:40:36 GMT -5
You have to admit - you have weird standards anyway. And you do seem to prefer gore to anything else. You say you don't. But your other words paint a different picture.
You still say Tobe Hooper's Texas Chainsaw Massacre isn't a great movie. If that masterpiece isn't good enough for you... You may have a big flaw in your judgment system.
Don't you agree that it might be possible? Even a tiny, little chance? 1 out of 100?
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Post by tsmooth31 on Apr 24, 2008 19:36:48 GMT -5
^^ i do prefer gore.. what i said is i dont need it for the movie to be good ..think of it like this.. i mean a movie can be terrible in every way.. but if it has some good gore at least he can be fun to watch..but as much as i love a movie with great gore i also love smart horror movies with a great plot and dome great twists regardless if it has any gore
TCM is just a boring slow movie that did nothing for me..maybe back in its time it was shocking but ever since then there have been so many movies that have ripped it off or taken its idea and made a better more entertaining movie..and thats just how i feel..you can think it was a masterpiece and that is fine
i think the main reason i was dissapointed was because i had seen so many reviews saying how shocking or disturbing it was and it was not at all.. plus a movie named the texas chainsaw massacre needs gore and it had none
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Post by lazario on Apr 26, 2008 9:01:11 GMT -5
TCM is just a boring slow movie Did you "like" any movies you would describe as slow and boring? I still say, T, give it some time, mature as a viewer, and you'll see its' brilliance. Don't assume that you'll never change your mind. ..maybe back in its time it was shocking Well that's not really the point of the movie. It's not supposed to be shocking. That's in my opinion, never the power of horror. Like I said before, only to Mal or Piggsy or someone- Texas Chainsaw Massacre is about making you feel like you are there. It shows everything happening in extreme detail so that it has an amazing buildup. So that when Pam is hung on the hook, you feel it because you know exactly what being everywhere on that farmland feels like. So you feel the pain of her situation psychologically. TCM shows us everything as it happens, no detail is unshown. It's basically the only horror movie showing uncomfortable, violent situations that works without a real plot. No other horror film has ever done that as well as Texas Chainsaw Massacre. And anyway, it begins slowly, but you have to admit that at a certain point, it speeds up considerably and there's nothing slow about it. That's probably why I suggested once months ago that you never saw the movie. I don't even buy your "slow" excuse. I think there's another reason you don't like it. Maybe it hasn't occured to you yet. But it'll come. Sort of like Me and Re-Animator. I don't like the movie. I think it's boring. But it's not slow and it sure as heck isn't uneventful. There's a lot going on. But I don't like it. It falls flat for me. So what do I do? I look for reasons. I think it's important, after all- it's Re-Animator. It's considered one of the most seminal horror films made after the 1960's. but ever since then there have been so many movies that have ripped it off or taken its idea and made a better more entertaining movie.. For whatever reason, I'm having a hard time thinking of any. Can you think of any? you can think it was a masterpiece and that is fine Well it is a masterpiece. That is a fact. i think the main reason i was dissapointed was because i had seen so many reviews saying how shocking or disturbing it was and it was not at all.. plus a movie named the texas chainsaw massacre needs gore and it had none Well that's a life-lesson learned, there. You can't rely on what other people say. You have to watch the movie with an open mind and not look at your watch, waiting for the formula to match your expectations. When I saw it for the first time, I didn't get it either. I wasn't impressed. I wanted more blood and gore. But then I did this very funny thing... I watched more horror movies. Then I got the movie for Christmas, watched it again, and then it got better. Hell, when I saw Lucio Fulci's The Beyond for the first time, I hated it, and was so mad at everyone for saying it was so great, that I wanted to insult every single "fan" of the movie. But I watched it again. It didn't get much better the second time, so I assumed that it was a terrible movie. Third time, still left me scratching my head. But a funny thing happens the more you watch a movie- you see things that you didn't see before. Notice things you didn't notice before. A movie can have a different effect on you on multiple viewings. Now I like The Beyond. There are even parts of it that I love. Same thing with The Howling. I wasn't impressed the first time I saw it. On VHS. Then I bought the DVD and I still didn't like it. I watched it with other people, I still didn't like it. So this is maybe 3 or 4 viewings, watching the movie... Now I not only like it, but I'm starting to think it's brilliant. Like genius. Like Mensa-horror movie. Because you notice things you didn't see before. So anyway, this is the person I became when I saw Squirm for the first time. The people who know the movie is good saw things that you didn't see. And no amount of you denying that is going to make it false.
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Post by tsmooth31 on Apr 26, 2008 15:39:08 GMT -5
watching a movie more doesnt make it any better..that doesnt and never worked for me
we both saw the same stuff in squirm and tcm... you liked what you saw and i didnt.. its really that simple
you just try to complicate things and talk as if you see more and are smarter then everyone here
but your not
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Post by lazario on May 2, 2008 11:03:37 GMT -5
watching a movie more doesnt make it any better..that doesnt and never worked for me Than you have a problem with the way you watch movies. If you're saying your opinion of a movie never changes on more than one viewing. Nobody sees a movie the exact same way on more than one viewing. we both saw the same stuff in squirm and tcm... you liked what you saw and i didnt.. its really that simple You still don't get it - that's the way you think of it. I'm talking about how the movie is made. You should know that by now. you just try to complicate things and talk as if you see more and are smarter then everyone here but your not Well, the way you handle these arguments - I've more than proved I'm smarter than you. I don't set out to prove that from the beginning, you just make it so damn easy. I don't think you know, even now, what we're talking about. You change the subject, basically.
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Post by tsmooth31 on May 2, 2008 15:00:03 GMT -5
the only thing you have proved is you fear everything and everyone
you are afraid of what people think about you, you are afraid of people knowing more about you... which is why you get so offended by everything and always have to be a know it all..
because really you know more then no1 else here and you are better then no1 else here
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Post by lazario on May 3, 2008 2:25:28 GMT -5
the only thing you have proved is you fear everything and everyone. you are afraid of what people think about you, you are afraid of people knowing more about you... which is why you get so offended by everything and always have to be a know it all.. That's what you think.
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