Time to make a stand...

[malbowski13]

Oy!Is this pastrami kosher?

I'm still not voting. Looking back, this list is shit. Meaning that they all have talent but then you get into favorite movie vs. director talent vs. budget restrictions vs. "shit-bomb" movies.I am leaning toward Zombie only because he is 3 for 3 IMO. Hostel 2 was shit compared to his other 2 films. Cabin Fever is still my favorite. I would like to also say Romero but I have not seen a few of his films (The Crazies,Two Evil Eyes,Knightriders). Land of the Dead was pretty bad IMO. Final answer coming tomorrow night after a few Libations!

[lazario]

malbowski13 said:

I am leaning toward Zombie only because he is 3 for 3 IMO.

[malbowski13]

Thanks for helping me with my vote Laz. Zombie it is!

[lazario]

For Zombie to be 3 for 3, he'd have to be on another planet, or this one would have to be upside down.

[malbowski13]

Without picking them apart, they were all fun movies.Wasn't bored once. Keep 'em coming, Rob!

[lazario]

Well, fun if your standards are low...
Sorry, it just has to be this way.

[tsmooth31]

rob zombie movies are deff fun to watch

i still havent seen halloween yet though.. got it downloaded just havent watched it yet

[lazario]

admin said:

rob zombie movies are deff fun to watch

I enjoyed the first half of House of 1,000 Corpses and the last 30-33 minutes of The Devil's Rejects. The rest of his movies are pure crap-ola.

[tsmooth31]

^^ i will admit the second half of house of 1000 corpses was a bit of a letdown after watching the first half.. still a fun and good enough movie to watch tho

didnt like devils rejects as much but it was worth watching

and i would imagine halloween will at least be fun to watch.. ill post my thoughts when i get around to watching it

[piggsy]

Halloween is great if you enjoyed Rob Zombie's other works. It's a gritty, bloody, and nasty slasher film. Tyler Mane was fantastic as adult Michael Myers, and Daeg Faerch made me realize that not all child actors are annoying.

I did find the over use of cameos gratuitous, which took me out of the film for a while, but that's the worst thing I can say about it. Plus, you can't go wrong with Malcolm McDowell.

Tsmooth, if you buy the DVD, be sure to watch the blooper reel. It will literally make you laugh until your brain hemmorages.

[lazario]

Rob Zombie's overall style sucks though. He needs to quit writing fucking stupid sex and pervert jokes and quit with the homophobic dialogue.

[piggsy]

I don't really mind that stuff, it's how some people really talk. Not everybody says things that are politically correct.

[lazario]

piggsy said:

I don't really mind that stuff

Well... I do.

piggsy said:

it's how some people really talk.

Yeah? Some of those people need their asses kicked.

piggsy said:

Not everybody says things that are politically correct.

There's a difference between being-P.C. and not spreading around more Hate and Stupidity in this world than we already have. And frankly, DON'T NEED.

[piggsy]

I see what you mean, but it's all in how you look at it. You don't like Zombie's movies, which has been established, and is partly due to the dialogue he puts in them.

I hate perversion and homophobia, but I don't think he puts too much of that in his films to distract. What about the homophobic statements in Eli Roth's "Cabin Fever"?

[malbowski13]

Oh, some of those are ok because a "girl" says them.My only complaints with Rob's Halloween are the new "Loomis" (maybe it was what was written for him; also,I know of no one else who can fill Donald's shoes so....alright he did ok) and the way it was just as boring in some parts as the original. Tyler Mane is awesome as Mike Myers. I bet that the same people who bitch about having
the cult, Thorn stuff thrown in(Curse of Myers) are also the same people who bitch at having a giant man play Myers.You can't have it both ways. He does superhuman things so he must be fucking huge.PERIOD.

Also, you can tell that Rob gets better with every movie so....keep 'em coming!

[piggsy]

Are you going to see that El Superbeasto movie, malbowski? It's based on Rob Zombie's comics.

[malbowski13]

Low standards? There are so many different varieties of horror to suit your moods though. Sometimes I want to watch a "Thinker" film, something arty-farty that you have to pay attention to
and can appreciate the effort put in. Sometimes, I want to ch-lax and watch something fun without much thought put into it(ie. TROMA). I'm sure you have your guilty pleasures Laz as does everyone here.(not talking about Little Miss Sunshine either)

[lazario]

piggsy said:

I hate perversion and homophobia, but I don't think he puts too much of that in his films to distract. What about the homophobic statements in Eli Roth's "Cabin Fever"?

Well, it's all in how it is intended. People either use slurs of this nature to piss people off- which is always wrong. Or they use them without thinking about what they mean, which is equally wrong. Or, they use them to make a point. That it IS wrong - the homophobia of the slur(s). And apparently, that's what Eli Roth was doing.

He says for Cabin Fever, he largely wanted people to dislike the characters. I don't think he actually made them unlikeable enough. Mostly, it's just the little blonde girl who says the word. Which is of course not exactly true-to-life and I'm not sure Eli Roth knows that. So, he means well but... Whatever problems may have existed in Cabin Fever, he fixed with Hostel. Which is the only horror movie I've seen this decade which uses these slurs the right way. To show the full Irresponsibility and Apathy of the people who would say these things.

But for Rob Zombie, there's no excuse on Earth that will save him. His use of the word has been directly homophobic. Especially since most of the characters he has in his movies saying these words are supposed to be the Heroes of the movie, the main characters, or the most likeable people. That is harmful and damaging.

malbowski13 said:

Low standards? There are so many different varieties of horror to suit your moods though. Sometimes I want to watch a "Thinker" film, something arty-farty that you have to pay attention to and can appreciate the effort put in. Sometimes, I want to ch-lax and watch something fun without much thought put into it (ie. TROMA). I'm sure you have your guilty pleasures Laz as does everyone here. (not talking about Little Miss Sunshine either)

Of course. But there are 2 reasons why I have drawn my lines about this and I would hope since Dave and T so miserably failed to understand them that you will show the sense they lacked.

One reason is that Horror as a genre is dying and suffering horribly right now. The 90's was admittedly hard on the genre because the flow of money changed and suddenly everything was ruled by trends. All the best horror movies of that time were all studio films of one sort or another, and that hasn't been the standard of horror since the Universal Classics era, pretty much. Since then, big studios never ruled the genre (or, at least after the 50's).

I think the only way to save it (if there is any chance at all) is to be overly critical of and often harsh with the stuff that's coming out now. We all are, some of us simply won't admit it. We all have our complaints with kinds of horror movies. But now there are only a few basic types. 3 to be exact. Torture film, Zombie film, Ghost film. That's all there is. And every single film made with those 3 basic themes are made exactly the same way. By filmmakers who have completely lost all knowledge of or caring for the genre - if they ever had it to begin with. Everything about these movies are the same. The casts, the music, the cinematography. The directors are all picked from the same groups. All of them are clueless. All of them seem to lack substancial talents for characterization. They all copy each other. And they're all given these jobs by producers / studio executives who want the MTV-music video hot shot directors. People who are technically effecient but who lack vision.

What I'm saying is - we have no variety anymore. And horror at its best as a genre in the past has always offered us that. Look at the heyday of horror! Look at all the different styles, sensibilities, visionaries, and talents that were making movies back then. THERE ARE NO MORE Argento's, Cronenberg's, Craven's, Dante's... There are no more people with a special voice or style or sensibility. All these directors are the same.

And the only ones who are different are making shit or making nothing at all. Lucky McKee was the greatest hope for this genre after May and Sick Girl. Where did he go? He's gone because the things that are being released in horror are shit and Lucky was special. He didn't want to make a bad movie. But he got stuck with a bad studio deal, The Woods suffered horribly, and now he's just writing.

Eli Roth kind of sold-out for Sequel-itis. And Rob Zombie went to Remake-Land. Instead of trying to make something original, he proved he can't do that. Proving all along that he is not nearly as great as anyone thought he was. And the other directors that people were pimping turned out to be unreliable. Alexandre Aja made that shit High Tension. Well, if he was as talented as people thought, he could have made a better film after that. What did he do? Remake. James Wan (I think that's his name) did Saw. I'm not impressed with any of those films. What did do after that? If I'm not mistaken he either made Dead Silence which nobody liked, or went right on to making a dramatic action-thriller.


The New Millennium is the saddest decade for horror either since the 1940's or that there has ever been, period. We have no masterpieces. Not a single one. And that's because nobody is trying hard enough.

In fact, the very best thing that has come from this miserable decade was the Masters of Horror series. Because in that first season, Lucky McKee made Sick Girl. Which is the best horror themed project I've seen yet in this horrible decade so far. It was glorious. Everything was right on that movie. Characters, acting, music, cinematography... And then you find out Lucky as a director was trying hard enough. After him, that series also produced The Fair-Haired Child, Cigarette Burns, and Jenifer. Three more of the best horror projects to come out of this decade so far.

In the arena of feature-films, all we have to compete with that are 28 Days Later and American Psycho. The two best horror films released this decade so far. Ginger Snaps was released in Canada in 1999 if I'm not mistaken, so that particular film (the last actual honest-to-god MASTERPIECE in the horror genre) has to go to the 90's.


The vast majority of what we've been given this decade so far are "Guilty Pleasures." Nobody is trying hard enough (outside of Asia) to make a horror film that is anything but a novelty.

Horror has become a joke to most of the young directors making these movies. Nobody cares and nobody has any focus or vision.